Thats what i was eluding to.

So how do we as a club rise above being a feeder club /stepping stone for others when the only real investment comes from the rfl?,which can only invest in rl outside of sl when the sl clubs vote to allow more money to drift down to the rest of the pro game and as we now know they've voted to cut that investment?

As long as there are clubs who are bigger than us then we will always be a stepping stone. But in the same vein we're bigger than other clubs. Just our place in the food chain.

The answer to your question is simple we dont.

We make the best of what we have and enjoy it.

you sound like wembley71,hes another who thinks we might as well all forget it.

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Added a bit to Matts piece which to me is the important bit.
Admittedly in football the last bit is easier to alter as they still have the promotion and relegation, however I'm not convinced that we will still have franchising in 5 years time or that SL won't be 2 Divisions but I think at the moment we have to aspire as high as possible.
Ours would be to be the best club in our division...
Off field - with the highest gates, most sponsors and best day out money can buy with a visit to the LSV seen as a 'most do' come matchday.
On Field - to win the League , League Play offs, NRC and to go as high as possible in the Challenge Cup.

If we keep doing well on field and work very very hard off field then that movement will happen as no-one will want to keep a success down.

The important bit is not standing still and accepting what just went as success, last years team did terrific , but it wasn't good enough, last years crowds rose (again) but it wasn't good enough - aim to go one better this year.

Was there any need to for that???

I am entitled to my opinion.

If you want to pull the wool over your own eyes and live a pipe dream then so be it some of us are realists.

When Ian Millward came to the UK in the late 90s do you think he believed he could pick up a small town team and take them to the summit of world RL and world club championship glory????..............Stepping stone ta achieve his dreams! Had he not had off the field problems we would never have seen the guy again. It was either a decent paid assistant role in Aus or a well paid head coach role in Championship with a decent budget and squad and a realistic chance to land a SL job again no brainer.

Do you think Murphy came here from Saints in 69/70 thinking he could make Leigh the household name in world RL. Yes he won a Challenge Cup and Championship in 82 but reality is Warringto flash the cash bigger town bigger club................Stepping stone!

All greats will reach the top eventually we will never be at the top we need to identify the potential greats and ride on the back of there sucess for a couple of years and slowly build a steady club without overspending. Thats the way i see it as realist. We wont ever be a Wigan, Saints, Leeds, Bradford, Warrington dare i say it a Widnes.

Get real.

A very good post that JENKY.

I agree with you we need to build year on year strive to be the best we can raise the bar find the next Ian Millward,Chris Hill, Jamie Ellis etc etc but do it with a budget and dont sell out for a dream that wont ever happen.

did you read your post before you pushed submit?you should have done cos thats up ther with the most stupid posts ever

How old are you if you dont mind me asking???

Ive never known a ten year old type so well

Please just explain this in more detail for JC.

I think he must read Roy of the Rovers

Rochdale and Oldham would love to be us we would love to be Saints or Warrington.

The only way we will ever mix again with that company and COMPETE for more than one season is if a serious ammount of money came through the door.

Why do you need three question marks and why do you end a sentence without a full stop?.
Doesn't really matter tho cos thats not what we're talking about is it?

You choose firstly to call me a Pr1ck for having an opinion.

Then you choose to slate a post as stupid without even so much as offering a reason as to why.

The youth of today...............