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I can understand the Widnes fans paranoia about their club being hated by RL fans everywhere.

It must be a chemical inbalance which is surprisingly common in the Liverpool overspill areas of "Cheshire?" icon_smile.gif

Why should Widnes have a railway station for example ? A town going nowhere whilst Leigh being a boom town is crying out for one.

It is a paradox is it not ?

Well Derek that should keep them busy for 20 minutes. icon_wink.gif

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To be honest, I am bored with it all now. Might see you Sunday

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Quote: HatedAndAdored "So who at the RFL told you that this was the only criteria that we were judged on? Go on please share your obvious insider knowledge with us.'"

My word calm down will you its just banter ,don't mind in the least that Widnes have got into SL don't begrudge you in the slightest we are not ready your club is BUT never in the memory of man did the club have that much turn over

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Quote: frankb "I can understand the Widnes fans paranoia about their club being hated by RL fans everywhere.

It must be a chemical inbalance which is surprisingly common in the Liverpool overspill areas of "Cheshire?"
Love it, quality eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: DemonUK "I know I am breaking my pledge here, but you have to admit that accusing a Leigh fan of putting spin on Widnes's financial results is quite funny.'"


Seems to me as though certain Leigh fans claim to know far more about our financial accounts than our own accountants do. Are you all qualified accountants in your spare time? Every comment made about our accounts has been made out of supposition and speculation. Spin or not, none of it based on facts.

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Quote: HatedAndAdored "Seems to me as though certain Leigh fans claim to know far more about our financial accounts than our own accountants do. Are you all qualified accountants in your spare time? Every comment made about our accounts has been made out of supposition and speculation. Spin or not, none of it based on facts.'"



Well being a part time mathematics professor at Salford University (when I am able to spare the time) It is amazing what one is able to do with figures.

Even on LISA's committee we have a qualified accountant a famous actor and a reknown conservationist.

Research was recently undertaken on our fan base and over 70% admitted to an interest in all aspects of the current financial turmoil we currently find ourselves in.

Bet they can't say the same in Dewsbury for example.

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Our humour is also better.

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Quote: DParky "Our humour is also better.'"


It has to be living in and supporting Leigh icon_wink.gif

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Quote: DParky "Well done at your quoting skills.

You've missed the point entirely.

Quote: DParky "Regarding the award, well club of the year should usually go to the stand-out club, onfield this was Fev, although you could argue teams like Batley always punch above their weight. '"


Now this is where a lot of people are getting confused. Is there not an award for team of the year for stand out on field performances? Are you even aware of what 'club of the year' is judged on? Because it seems to me you can't see past what happens on the field. As I said before we still have NR Cup and Grand Final which recognises on field achievement what more do you want?

Quote: DParky "Of course licencing has virtually ruled onfield activity as second fiddle, as long as you win something in the three year period or get to a Grand Final you can then focus on other things. This is what Widnes have done but it still undermines all the principles that we have all been brought up with in competitive sports.'"


You know this for a fact do you? We still spent up to the salary cap, we brought in a team which the club believed would be competitive and then we go and suffer the worst injury crisis in living memory. Do you honestly expect any team that uses 41 players in a season to finish anywhere near the top?? We still managed a Cup Final appearance on the back of that!

Quote: DParky "I know about my own clubs short comings thank you very much and I also know about the hard work that continues to take place.'"


So why when we successfully address our own shortcomings are we deemed to be singing to the RFL's tune? Surely investing heavily in youth is something that any aspiring SL club should be doing?

Quote: DParky "The Widnes club has a lot of things going for it. You know it, your fans know it, RFL knows it, we know it. I'll let Vikings fans do their own congratulating and if Widnes fans coming on here expect backslaps and champagne well you are in the wrong place, we don't even do that for our own team!'"


I don't expect backslaps from other clubs boards but what I also don't expect is the amount of back biting and sniping which is aimed at us (and this isn't exclusively aimed at this board, there are far worse boards than this for it).
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There have been posts praising Widnes but the RFL have created further apathy and disdain in our sport with their different handling of clubs, different quota rules, dufferent rules on facilities. If you need that explaining or can't see what I'm on about then I may as well give up.

I've nothing against Widnes, I've probably seen more games this season than some home fans and do a regular hospital radio show about Warrington and Widnes. I know people involved with the club and even term them as friends.

I respect that the club is just sticking to the rules set down by the governing body.

In my eyes the pressure is now on Widnes to actually win the competition next year. They can't expect to be welcomed into Super League with open arms from a fifth place finish.'"


I don't understand why the Championship clubs can't all concentrate on making this division an attractive division in it's own right then as opposed to moaning about the competition being devalued by the franchise ruling.

Quote: DParky "Hate is a strong word. There is frustration and anger at the current set of rules that have rendered winning competitions as secondary over three years to having a sexy looking balance sheet.

I won't comment further on this as that is my piece.'"
'"


Hate is a strong word and that's exactly what we've experienced from other clubs. We certainly bore the brunt of a lot of vitriolic abuse at Barrow the other week, fans of Sheffield have now waded in to the argument and now fans of SL clubs are trying to undermine our Under 18s efforts by claiming all sorts from the league is meaningless to us playing first teamers in the side...

And you wonder why we feel the way we do.

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eusa_boohoo.gif Cheer up, the worst is yet to come.

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Quote: DParky "Well done at your quoting skills.

You've missed the point entirely.

Regarding the award, well club of the year should usually go to the stand-out club, onfield this was Fev, although you could argue teams like Batley always punch above their weight. Of course licencing has virtually ruled onfield activity as second fiddle, as long as you win something in the three year period or get to a Grand Final you can then focus on other things. This is what Widnes have done but it still undermines all the principles that we have all been brought up with in competitive sports.

I know about my own clubs short comings thank you very much and I also know about the hard work that continues to take place.

The Widnes club has a lot of things going for it. You know it, your fans know it, RFL knows it, we know it. I'll let Vikings fans do their own congratulating and if Widnes fans coming on here expect backslaps and champagne well you are in the wrong place, we don't even do that for our own team!

There have been posts praising Widnes but the RFL have created further apathy and disdain in our sport with their different handling of clubs, different quota rules, dufferent rules on facilities. If you need that explaining or can't see what I'm on about then I may as well give up.

I've nothing against Widnes, I've probably seen more games this season than some home fans and do a regular hospital radio show about Warrington and Widnes. I know people involved with the club and even term them as friends.

I respect that the club is just sticking to the rules set down by the governing body.

In my eyes the pressure is now on Widnes to actually win the competition next year. They can't expect to be welcomed into Super League with open arms from a fifth place finish.

Hate is a strong word. There is frustration and anger at the current set of rules that have rendered winning competitions as secondary over three years to having a sexy looking balance sheet.

I won't comment further on this as that is my piece.'"

Nope, I think it’s you who has missed the point of what the Club of the year award actually means.

There can only be one award for the team of the year that is actually worth anything, and that will be decided on Sunday night.

Club of the year, awards the people and staff at a club; the ones who don’t actually take the field but have, none the less worked hard to move their club forward for the betterment of the club and the game itself.

Giving this award to Widnes does not mean that RL is
Quote: DParky "making a mockery of itself.'"
or puts forward any proof of the
Quote: DParky " RFL having seemingly having different rules for it's clubs. '"


This has nothing to do with licences, so stop trying to pretend that it does. This award is not part of an RFL conspiracy and will have little meaning come decision time in March. After reading your last two posts it seems a bit of a cheek that Leigh fans are calling Widnes fans paranoid on this thread.

Widnes deserves this more than any other club in the Championship. We did, after all, get to a final again too.

Either way, you are talking complete and utter tripe.

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Quote: leigh-ratii "Went to the awards dinner in Manchester last night. Leigh were not well represented lets say. No Arthur Thomas, no Alan or Paul Rowley, no Ian Millward, no players - very poor really. From Leigh I saw Brian Bowman and John Stringer and I saw a guy from Hattons Solicitors - they were sat with Featherstone directors. A Leigh Director was there Mr.Beevers, he collected an award for Leigh but was out of his depth, couldnt answer Barry McDermotts questions. Not good really.
Wonder if the Halifax gans who come on this site might find out why nobody from Halifax turned up at the presentations.
Just seen the Leigh site where Mr.Thomas says he is proud and praised the work of the Community Staff and they deserved their award, why did they not appear to show how proud they really were.'"



Well if it is still run how it has been in the past each club are forced to buy a table anyway so are you saying the Fax table was empty? Tony Beevers turns up to the "opening of an envelope " he was at the Fax v Sheff game handing out an award there . He likes his rugby league and so does his Mrs who knows a great deal about the game too.

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Well Pepe I see you too have taken my earlier posts out of context to argue your own point.

So everyone in Rugby League has the same set of rules do they? I don't see it.

I still think that the RFL have reduced the Championship to little more than a box ticking exercise over three seasons thanks to the introduction of the franchise system. This is sadly how fans view it both on here and around the grounds. HatedandAdored did make one good point in his tirade and no I'm not talking about the full stop at the end of his rant...

He said that he couldn't see why Championship clubs couldn't make this an attractive competition in its own right. The trouble is how do you market a "sub-standard product"? This is largely how the Championships are percieved, you only have to read the editorial comments in league weekly on the Championship games.

Starbug had the idea of everyone pulling together for the good of the game outside Super League, well sadly the whole franchise thing ripped a huge hole between fans. We no longer seem to discuss what was once important, creative halfbacks, finishing wingers, mean packs, all we seem to go on about is attendances, box ticking, balance sheets and who has the wealthiest chairman.

Nowadays this isn't the sport that I fell in love with and used to be decided on the field by who won finals and actually finished top of the league. How many people were lost to the sport when it chose that path?

I still love this game, I'm passionate about it, I want what is best for my club and I would love the competitions to thrive.

Come the end of next season they will need to do something about the competitions in any case, this is because the deck of cards can not be sustained with just ten home league games a season. That doesn't pay the bills and unless every club has a wealthy benefactor I can see a lot more doing a Whitehaven or a Rochdale.

It's all opinions isn't it.

Back on topic, do I think Widnes are club of the year? no.

I think there are more deserving clubs. Obviously as Widnes fans you'll disagree.

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Quote: J20 "It has to be living in and supporting Leigh
You have a point... Living here isn't that bad, it's just all those roads to W**an we avoid!

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Quote: DParky "You have a point... Living here isn't that bad, it's just all those roads to W**an we avoid!'"


Hence the reason why I moved !! icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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