Oh now come on. You are being silly. So is that Crusaders fan.

The non relegation league clubs get 1.6 million off Sky to recruit players. Television exposure attracts sponsors. You happpen to support a heartland club whose crowds were not that great at Wilderspool

Why have Cusaders moved North ? How many free tickets Dico for their opening two games ?

Widnes have more fans on average than Crusaders or Harlequins and take away visiting supporters Salford.

Non relegation league clubs have the best players put the current Dewsbury Batley Whitehaven Featherstone in Wire shirts not to mention the rest and have to stick with that for 3 seasons and you would not turn up week in and week out knowing your team is doing nothing more than treading water.

You are like David Cameron all hot air. He thinks we live in what he calls broken Britain. He is smug AND wrong so are you. I thought he believed in competition you do not seem to care neither does the Crusaders fan.You are so smug it is breathtaking.

You want the elite to remain the elite it is killing our professional game. I support my team because it is loyalty thing rather like always being there for a family member or friend who has made a mistake.

Our game is run by Sky not by its' governing body. You do not care because you are watching the best.

Make no mistake when you take competition out of buisness that buisness eventually withers and dies. RL will go the same way.

Wether you or I like it or not RL is a minority sport. It always has been. Anyone with half a brain knows it is better to watch than kick and clap but it will never attract more speccies than footie.

We fans of this sport should want the best for this sport not support its's lingering death.

Sky are short sighted so are you.

0... The club moved North because the only interested buyer was in the North.

Despite the fact that this season so far Crusaders are averaging more than Salford, Castleford, Wakefield, Hull KR and Catalans, I doubt Widnes have more fans. Or is this due to 'free tickets' that you have imagined?
Why on Earth would the best players not play in the top league? Are you stupid? What sort of logic is this?
Please don't compare me to David Cameron, that is one of the worst insults you could imagine

Well two things first of all the best players are in non relegation league because there is a salary cap of 1.6 million for those clubs.

Second thing. Free tickets for Crusaders opening games. How many ?

And finally'so a third I suppose' I am chuffed you do not think much of the know nothing Cameron thing but do you not think we should introduce competition into the game we obviously both like? And if you do not tell me why.

I don't understand what you are trying to say? Are you suggesting that the best players should be in the Championship? The best players play in the best league, hence it is the best league. That's just common sense

There wasn't free tickets, plus the crowds for the opening few are double in Wrexham what they were in bridgend.

I didn't want an argument on this but all you folk claim that league will die because people arent coming out to watch the small town clubs is daft. We lose 2000 in Leigh (which we wont), we've gained 8,000 in Wrexham.

It's sad because there is such a gulf between the two comps, you CANNOT tell me scenarios like 05 were a good thing, teams full of journeymen aussies. We're one and a tiny bit years into the franchise system, more youngsters are coming through than ever, players are filtering down to the next level (you've got three from us which you cannot say hasn't improved your team) and I say give it a chance. I responded to this thread initially because for me the biggest contributor to this SL/Chp 'war' is disgruntled northern Chp teams. If teams work together it doesn't have to be such an issue. I genuinely see a brighter future together, forging links with ourselves is a good start.
Not everyone can be at the top, especially when you're a small town in wigan

Then why not have the best of both with the promoted team safe for a year or two and the relegated club not receiving a parachute payment.

[size[iSo it's a good thing all-round that promotion and relegation was scrapped[/i[/size Of course it is - providing you are in SL

There is a gulf between the comps because 99% of the money goes to 30% of the RFL member clubs

You only get what you do because the RFL give it to you.
If it was up to sky they wouldnt bother with the Thursday night slot, which would be a shame.



The gulf is too huge to not have a parachute payment, they'd probably go bust.
It could just be me but a couple of the Chp squads are better than ever and I think this will continue as more dual reg players make their way into that level.
What that also does is flood the market a bit so that players cant demand such ridiculous wages for part time work.

The underlined bit I could go for but i'd still rather move towards an 18ish team two tiered conferences

Well Dico having accepted that.It is all Championship clubs fans want and if the RFL accepted it too we would have something to aim for.

Way things are at the moment there is little for Championship clubs to aspire to.

If you have to change the rules so much then the system is obviously wrong.
There is no way on earth that clubs in football like say Everton, Newcastle Liverpool would accept relegation if for example they was to be a replaced by a team that has won a PT competition.

But frank why would you want the club to risk its future chasing a season in the spotlight? The nature of the beast is fans are never satisfied. It would only be a matter of time b4 we get broke or success again, like in 2004 where we had Tommy God to thank that the worst didn't happen. Could have happened the other way round like Widnes recently.
The fall out from chasing SL is dotted all over our comp - Rochdale, Oldham, us, Widnes, etc.

Well I think that is a pessemistic view. It is rather like in life- if you are content to be average you will be average always.

There are people who set up a buisness and go bust. They then start again with another one and sometimes succeed.

There are others who seize an opportunity and do not go bust but flourish.

What you are suggesting is the status quo. Well I for one do not accept this is the way forward for any club or person who has ambition to do better.

We can all strive for that people clubs and governments. Without change you eventually become boring.

You get me wrong. I want us to build and be the best we can be. Before franchising this was impossible as you know. You recruit a team to get you promoted in a season without being ready for if you get in SL. PT - FT, we tried everything. We tried being PT and worry about going FT once promoted, we tried going mainly FT to be better prepared for SL but didn't get promoted - and the club nearly went in melt down.
Sorry the way it is now is better for our future. I so miss going to GFs like it used to be. Lets get to that level again and being the best in this comp and let SL worry about itself.