I think we have to be realistic, certainly at the moment. We do not have vast sums of money coming into the club, so I believe the strategy of being self-sustaining is the only way forward. We daren't be like Bradford, or Salford, or any one of a number of SL clubs who are living beyond their means. The huge danger of getting someone to throw their money away, is that they suddenly stop throwing it away or, even worse, want it back! I have a frustration that we are currently missing opportunities to bring in regular funds, from advertising, sponsorship etc, because we are right down to the bone, on staff numbers. 'Speculating to accumulate' is a strategy that springs to mind, but there is a risk associated with it. Hopefully, Rob's appointment is a step in the right direction, so that we can begin to harvest some of that sponsorship/adverising revenue.

The sentiment behind my post was not to kick off a dig at the Board/CEO, who are working very hard to put things right - more a statement that we can learn from the teams in our League, before we attempt to emulate the more successful ones in SL.

We share a similar sentiment Alan, as I also accept the Board are trying to put things right. However their collective inability to identify the revenue streams to which you refer, let alone put a plan into place to harvest them, tells its own story - a dynamic CEO with wider business acumen should be able to fill this gap.

With the lack of revenue streams currently available to the club this must be addressed, as once again we are looking highly unlikely to break even. If this means individuals falling on swords then so be it.

Of course, I'm sure the current CEO would be willing to step aside, and 'live a life' again, if we could find the calibre of person you have identified. The same principle applies to all who are doing jobs for nowt. Any idea how much that calibre of CEO would cost though?

We were out coached in every position

Just to update you on the two highlighted directors:

John is just back at the club, from being 'head-hunted', into a new job, (the one that puts food on his family's table) by a big company who obviously think he has something to offer, and will be working with Rob, on commercial issues.

'The woman who doesn't attend' (I assume you allude to Miranda) is working tirelessly on seeking grants for the new Foundation. Arguably, this is the single most important development for the future of the club

I always feel sorry for people who work as hard as mr Roddy and they're still struggling to put food on the table for the family.

Oh how I've missed The Prophet's posts, I've never seen anyone able to write so articulately yet produce absolute e.

In an ideal world, when we have thousands to pay for this dynamic CEO, I'm sure Trevor would willingly step aside to let this Business God take over the reins (BTW how would the rest of the fans react at the thought of having to pay out such a sum for a new CEO when the one we have at the moment works for nowt).

Also, how would they react at having to pay out for a dedicated promotions team/match day organiser/solicitors/accountants etc?

How much do you think it would cost to employ John Roddy/Miranda/Keith Freer/Trevor etc who all give their time freely?

All of these things cost money and it's only through the generosity and dedication of various board members that we are still in business. Gone are the days when we have people on the board just because they have a bit of money to put into the club (unfortunately there doesn't seem to be many of those in Leigh anyway) instead we have board members who are experts in their own fields, and they bring all their knowledge to the table - free of charge.

Unfortunately, things don't get done as quickly as they would if we had a plethora of full time staff but those we do have lend their hand in any way they can, often doing jobs that aren't really in their contracts.

So whilst it's all very well for The Prophet to tell the club exactly where they're going wrong, unless he's willing to put his money where his mouth is - he's just talking shIte.

I had a toot around at Fev on sunday and there was a feel of their plan "Destination Superleague" coming together, they are certainly working very hard in the community and are looking to get in new fans and targeting the youth structures, theres a classroom, a community bus etc,they are looking professional in their attempts too, good luck to them.

WE are just getting back from nearly going out of business, so it'll take a bit more time for us to catch up.

At last someone who saw the same as i did there was some big gaps out on our wings when Fev scored .

As for folk having a go at Trevor B ,this is amazing , Trevor has worked his socks off for our club , and will continue to do so , the amount of work he puts in at the club is great , my message keep it going Trevor .

Frank you have just answered your Own question when you say leave it to PR as he knows the players better than us .

And the passage of time hasn't had any impact on you being brainwashed into believing everything is going swimmingly and still wearing your Trevor blinkers.

Face facts, the longer people are prepared to "make do" the less chance we have of ever progressing. The current board/ceo are seeing a decline in crowds and seem to have little or no idea as to what to do about it and this is our only real income stream.

Instead of thinking everything is so wonderful try looking at initiatives other clubs have on the go, we are miles behind and to keep using Arthur leaving as a crutch is at best wearing thin.

Where have you seen me saying that everything is going swimmingly?

The point I'm making is that in your little bubble, the only solution is to throw money at the problem, even to the point of spending money we haven't got - and just look where that got other clubs like Bradford and Salford.

You've spouted reams of tripe telling the club HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE but forget to mention exactly how this should be achieved with a budget of nowt.

Are you really suggesting we should spend money we haven't got to achieve your/our aim?

What do you suggest Profit?

I've never suggested we spend money we don't have, simply our ability as a club to generate the income to make sure we do.

Nobody disputes the effort being made, however this is of little consequence when nothing tangible is seemingly being done to market the club to all stakeholders, be they fans or potential investors. If those making the effort are not actually up to the task then at what point are they going to realise they are going nowhere fast? You can have as many volunteers busting their tripe but if the puppet master is clueless then what hope do you have of success?

You carry on doing what you do if it makes you feel important/involved, however as soon as what you are talking hits the fan do not be surprised. Without being propped up by the LSV we are no further forward than we were 18 months ago despite anything being said at the fans forum or anywhere else.

The board have made it clear they will not be putting any money in. Their time would thus be best spent finding people who may be prepared to in which case and standing aside - these people do exist and we don't need huge figures being introduced, just extra funds to cover a marketing budget controlled by a ceo who knows how to speculate to accumulate with regards to crowd numbers and other potential revenue streams.

I won't be naming anybody but know of 2 such people who refuse to work with the current board and more so the ceo.