That's the biggest load of nonsense on this thread (and there's plenty of competition on that front too?!

The lack of P&R doesn't mean that games don't matter. Sport is about beating what's in front of you.

If that was the case no SL clubs would care about winning the SL title as they wouldn't get promoted because of it.

What matters is sporting your team, enjoy our sport and challenging for trophies - all of which can be done in the Championship and SL without P&R.

The way that RL is run is embarrassing and frustrating at times but it should never detract from the enjoyment of watching 16 blokes slugging it out on the pitch.

And, just in case you wondered, I am in favour of P&R - I just don't cry about the lack of it as much as some.

Damn - we HAVE been breaking the rules. We consistently use 17 - in fact Whitehaven even reckon we used 18!!

You'ld better go and tell the Wakey fans, as some of them would seem to be ready to top themselves rather than watch Championship rugby, and that is the problem the Championship clubs have, and thats the way the Championship is viewed by others

Sorry matey you seem to be totally out of touch.

I love the game of rugby league and have been an advocate for the sport for many years. Recent developments and the direction of the game, including the P&R issue, are ruining the game below SL.

Many people who have been watching the game for 10s of years say the same. There are little incentives to win games. Lack of incentives leads to lack of interest. Look at the dwindling attendances.

Winning SL is an incentive - in that it means you are the best in the country.

A number of years ago both RU and Cricket did not have P&R and their sports were dead on their feet. Many changes later, including P&R, and these sports have been completely transformed.

Try explaining to most sportsmen, that a team competing in the champonship will get promoted, before the season is over, and the team who finish the top will not - unless it is the same team. Unbelievable! Incredible! So it doesn't matter - unless you believe its a tick in the box

Don't want to argue with you because I'm actually in favour of P&R too.

However I can't agree that the lack of P&R is killing the game outside of SL. The Championship is an excellent competition and, if marketed properly, could easily survive and even prosper.

The problem is the number of Ch/C1 clubs who are obsessed with getting into SL. Look at college football in the US, or even RL in Australia - there are plenty of well supported, successful teams who will never get anywhere near the 'elite league'. The difference is that they know that, don't whine about it, and make the best of the what they have.

Like who ?

certainly make salfords life a lot easier if we all thought like batley wouldn't it ?.you'd be able to be a load of crap every season and just keep pocketing that cheque.

As I've pointed out on here several times, I watched just as much Ch/C1 RL last year as SL (possibly more).

However, part of the problem in RL at present is the difference in funding between SL and Ch/C1 - that's how/where cricket and RU have made the two-tier system work and we've not.

Even the gap between Prem and Championship in football isn't as big as the gap in RL at present.

Which is these aussie RL clubs ?

Alice Springs Water Bottles' Darwin Desert Tropical Wanderers and Woomera Skies.

Please keep up Starbug. Every sensible person knows professional sport in this country flourishes on promotion and relegation. Franchising works on Continents but not in small countries and wether folk like it or not we live in a relatively small country who can't function when it snows.

Look what happened in Springfield when they lost their baseball franchise. I can see Fred for example chaining himself to a pole outside the LSV and not eating his celery and peanut butter strips till we got our franchise back.

Bring it on.

Nah I'll just retire to Bolton-Le-Sands Frank

That's just selfish that Fred.