lost 30-0 at Whitehaven last season. We were crap = end of.

C'mon Matt never let facts get in the way of a good moan, for mine it was a good workout against a well drilled well coached fit enthusiastic skillfull team some of whose players I would have with us now if possible.

Looks like the 'Millward factor' has gone before its started according to some.

I dont think anyone knows though as to how many a club can have on these dual contracts, as I believe we have agreed to take two or three from Warrington?

According to Ian Millward a club may have a maximum of four.

Wasn't it mentioned on here that it was four players over the course of the season? In which case I'd be inclined to suggest we only take 1-2 for the time being and 'save up' the other slots for once the injuries kick in (though they seem to have arrived already in the front row!)

I knew that Frank but methinks he was only guessing at that, as I'm sure the regulations on LOAN players was a max of five, I suppose we will find out on that one soon.

As for Warrington that wasn't my understanding Matt - though I do stand to be corrected??

If they've got a spare prop knocking about then get one of those spots sewn up straight away, I say!

Halfway there anyroad as any players out of that Wigan side will either play for Wigan's first team, another Super League club or will drop in to our league.

I agree with Matt with our current prop situation we would have played 5 league games before they are back from injury.

It is a bit like last season when we were crying out for a stand off.

My opinion is if we can get one on loan do so and yon mon who starred in Wigan's pack yesterday would do me feeder club or not.

In one of the rugby rags today it stated London Skolars had taken FIVE on dual contract from Quins

Expansionist club Derek. Rules different for them.

Well I was thinking along the same lines (5 that is) as like i said im sure that was the 'old' number of loanees one could have, as for Skolars well they are well and trully 'in bed' with Quins.

Although on the other side of the coin, I think the Skolars should be allowed a certain exemption in this situation, as we've got Wigan, Saints, Wire and Salford all on our doorstep to get their kids on dual contract, whereas Skolars have a very limited choice in this department.