And we aren't a club that's spent nigh on 20 years in SL who won the challenge Cup last season and is expected to be a top 3/4 club this season , so hardly a like for like comparison is it ?

As for ' stupid mistakes ' , apart from Adams brain fart , what comes to mind ? , or is a Knock on by us stupid but for others it isn't ?

After Lui's knock on , Adam grabbed the ball only to be bundled into touch , but it was a knock on so his decision was right , except it then isn't a knock on , so what now , he has to mind read an official ?

Are you suggesting that Naughton and McNally are injured? Because left centre from the Wakefield game didn't look injured when playing full back yesterday. The guy playing left edge second row against Wakefield was also in the 17 yesterday, but playing down the middle. (In this case we've replaced a player in poor form, with a poor player). Completely changing the left edge was not forced on anyone.

I've not gone looking for a replacement for Jukes, but if I'd put the money in that DB has, I'd have started. Do you think he can keep us in Super league?

Question one - My point is, I'm not criticising Jukes based on one game, like you suggested with Radford. Basing it on a season so far.

Question two - Conceding the penalty for crossing after going 12-6 up. Losing the ball after a break straight after half time, the red card. Fleming's knock on after dropping on a ball was a stupid mistake. And yes, Higson running the ball into touch. Which leads me to;

Question three - I don't expect him to read the mind of an official. I expect him to play to the whistle. It wasn't a knock on. It went backwards. He needed to drop onto the ball and regain possession.

No I'm not suggesting they were injured , I'm suggesting that Jukes is a proffessional RL coach , doing IMO a reasonably good job in very difficult circumstances , he has quality support in his team of coaches and they are capable of keeping us in SL

Maybe we can entice Watson from Salford ? , you know , the one who was 1 tackle away from relegating his team to the Championship

Fine margins in this league , and fine marginal decisions going against you can have a huge effect on results , a new coach or 3/4 new players will not change that

Ok , point one , which teams have ripped us apart so far this season ?

Point two , watch the rest of the games , others make exactly the same stupid mistakes , some even win after doing it

Point three , the ref doesn't blow his whistle after a knock on , Adam saw a knock on , as did myself and pretty much everybody else I've asked since , nine out of ten , that's a knock on , Adam saw an opportunity in what he saw was a free play with a space to run through , if it had been a knock on and he had dropped on it most likely I'd be on here arguing with someone suggesting he should have picked it up and ran with it

He does make a signal / call to indicate free play, which he didn't make on this occaision. Assuming a free play just yards from your own line in a close game is idiotic. I didn't see the knock on, I saw a ball land behind a player, then watched with head in hands as Higson picked the ball up and ended up in touch.

Some teams make more mistakes than others, none make more than us. And we tend to do it just as we've got ourselves into a game (widnes and wakey at home prime examples)

I've said elsewhere (maybe on this thread), that both keeping or replacing Jukes could be seen as a gamble, but confidence in him reduces with every loss. Especially when it's the same loss over and over again. I'd rather get thrashed one game and win another than lose by 14 every time. It's still 3 scores, so not exactly a tight game.

As has been said earlier on it the thread, everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of whether they actually saw the game or not or whether they're actually Leigh fans or not. However, whether you care to read what they write or bother responding to it is entirely up to you.

Yes I too would rather get thrashed and then win , but it isn't like that , in 2005 we just kept getting thrashed , that given our small ( and relatively old ) squad is the more likely outcome

Adam didn't have time to look at the ref , he called it as he saw it

So ok it wasnt a knock on , was the one by Matty on their line ? , was their try a double , treble movement ?

As I said earlier , performances or results ? , I'm happy with the performances , we have competed in just about every game , usually going into the last quarter with a reasonable chance of claiming a victory , despite having just as many injury issues as most of the other clubs with better resources ( not that you'd here that in the media )

To me it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy , " Leigh are the most penalised team in SL " , so we will be penalised more , " Leigh will try to slow down Salford/Cas/Leeds/Hulls fast play " so will be penalised for doing so " Leigh make the most mistakes " , so will be penalised for making them more

So we end up trying harder , too hard in fact , and yes then you do start making more mistakes

Maybe if the media ( and the officials ) started watching replays of the games and commented on say " Leeds get away with more forward passes than any other team " , then they'd get penalised more for it ?

I am glad you reminded us all of that, perhaps you should think about that when you call people 'tap room idiots' when they don't agree with you.

In my opinion, you are over protective of both players and coaches, I am probably the same about referees, the difference is that I argue the point whereas you tend to have a sense of disbelief that someone disagrees with you.

I don't think changing the coach wound be a good idea but he has got to get a grip with the shocking discipline, perhaps giving players an IQ Test before signing them would help.

I think you have to put it in perspective guys. It was a miraculous achievement for Leigh to get into Superleague and it was always going to be a really tough ask avoiding 12th place let alone avoiding the bottom four. I know your are on a losing run but that’s to be expected considering all the other clubs have years behind them at this level. You can highlight injuries, discipline and referees but the reality is you had to make numerous changes to your squad and weren’t in a position to sign the quality of players the coaches, supporters and owner would have preferred by choice.

As an outsider I think you have a team that’s committed and been generally competitive and I think Jukes & Co have done a decent job in this regard. To change the coach now could give the club some new optimism in the short term but I can’t see it translating into results considering your next few fixtures. Personally I think your club needs some stability and to focus on hitting your best form for the playoffs. If I was Beaumont I’d stick with what I have and hope that the hard work and togetherness (That only comes with time) pays off at the business end.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

So there isn't a coach out there at the moment who could do a better job lol !
What ! Nobody at all !

Are you telling us? Or asking us?

Who do you suggest ?

Simple question for somebody as enlightened as your good self