Caught up in emotional stuff lol ... they are new guys in why would or should they be bothered about something that happened 2 years ago ... unless the coaches have been shoving it down their ears for weeks of course

Utter nonsense, I would expect every player I watch to try and play their best game every week.

He should have said, "We were clueless and under performed individually and collectively and got the result we deserved."

What gets to me is the they need time to gel excues I'm sorry but to do 5 drives and a kick which we don't normally get to doesn't need time,to play the percentages and territory u have to have a really good kicking game and I'm sorry we've not had one for a long time

To gel will take 5/6 games. The issue was the numbers game and the lack of communication both on the park and off it to put it right. They never got the numbers right once after that 2nd try.

Rarely got the numbers right in attack or defence in the last 2 years.

Different players + same coach = Same issues. He has to go.

I have to say that Ryan has developed whilst at Huddersfield and Toronto - his kicking game, and organisational skills seem to have improved. Also he was constantly talking to his team mates - something we don't seem to do much of. We still don't appear to have a winger anywhere near as good as Liam Kay, and Bob Beswick is still the excellent player/motivator he always was. Ah, those were the days!!

Hopefully, that's exactly what he did say, in the privacy of our dressing room.

Yet another opportunity, on the big stage, with a good home crowd, completely blown!

Ben Reynolds, IMHO has been poor in both the Wigan and Saints pre season games and the Toronto match. I said after the St.Helens match that most of what he tries is either poorly executed or the complete wrong option.

I say this with the kindest of respect to the young man but I do not think he has the 'brain' to move Leigh around the park. He is certainly not on the same wave length as his Toronto stand off opposite.

Who ever made the decision to hand Reynolds a 3 year deal whilst sending Ridyard off to off to one of our competitors, in doing so handing a player who does possess a 'brain' and knows this division and its parks inside out, must know what he is doing. Right?

Yeah Harold spot on pal. But the Rowley signings never really got a chance with Jukes onca again poor coach and clueless

I have followed the comments on this post and agree with what is being said about our play during the game and players concerned. However with how we played to the end of last season and then the first game of this season its not just the poor performance on the field but the repercussions off the field. I have read on another post we are some 900 season ticket sales down this season, not good! But then to have a decent crowd for a Championship game turn up on Sunday and serve up that performance is going to impact the club.

I have read its early days we will get it together but I doubt very much we will have anything like the support against Batley on Sunday as we did last Sunday, be lucky if we have 2000 on. We need the support, yes we have a great set of core loyal fans that will see the club through thick and thin but we need the majority of fans that turned up on Sunday to come week in week out supporting the team and club.

I do hope the club, (Mr Beaumount) makes the right decisions very soon however difficult it may be, the current coach and set up isnt anything like good enough, yes he took us up to SL but he also took us straight back down!

The calibre of players within in this squad now should be outweighing the likes (with respect) of Riddy and Beswick. I don't see the point in dwelling in what could/should have been. This squad is 80% away from its potential IMO and replacing the reasons for that at present should be paramount.

I agree atomic.

However, the performance of our players and coaching team on Sunday was way, way below that of our 'rejects'. That is probably my biggest frustration! It's not a case of dwelling on 'what could/should have been', more a case of what 'could/should BE'

I understand all that but what's that got to do with a very poor kicking game

Before you can have a kicking game,you need offensive/defensive structures in place. They are 80% away from that. No point having a kicking game if your structures are all over the place.

I read where he reminded everyone that you lost at Batley on the first game of a particular season where it ended quite well.