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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



I really hope we draw you in the cup.

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You'd stick 50 on them comfortably.

And JC it's not really that long term damage is it.. you average about 2000, there will always ALWAYS be people upset at how things go, tough decisions have to be made. There's more people watching in Wrexham than your petty team managed on opening weekend with a long heritage playing the best team. Its the fans of YOUR town not turning up year upon year as to why you're where you are, no one elses fault

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: headhunter "I really hope we draw you in the cup.'"


who are you?

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22/03/2013 Get LEIGH outta wigan:



Quote: Dico "You'd stick 50 on them comfortably.

And JC it's not really that long term damage is it.. you average about 2000, there will always ALWAYS be people upset at how things go, tough decisions have to be made. There's more people watching in Wrexham than your petty team managed on opening weekend with a long heritage playing the best team. Its the fans of YOUR town not turning up year upon year as to why you're where you are, no one elses fault'"

i see that your trolling in pers now eh
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Quote: j.c "who are you?'"


Just a massive, massive . Don't worry about it.

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Quote: Dico "You'd stick 50 on them comfortably.

And JC it's not really that long term damage is it.. you average about 2000, there will always ALWAYS be people upset at how things go, tough decisions have to be made. There's more people watching in Wrexham than your petty team managed on opening weekend with a long heritage playing the best team. Its the fans of YOUR town not turning up year upon year as to why you're where you are, no one elses fault'"



Oh now come on. You are being silly. So is that Crusaders fan.

The non relegation league clubs get 1.6 million off Sky to recruit players. Television exposure attracts sponsors. You happpen to support a heartland club whose crowds were not that great at Wilderspool

Why have Cusaders moved North ? How many free tickets Dico for their opening two games ?

Widnes have more fans on average than Crusaders or Harlequins and take away visiting supporters Salford.

Non relegation league clubs have the best players put the current Dewsbury Batley Whitehaven Featherstone in Wire shirts not to mention the rest and have to stick with that for 3 seasons and you would not turn up week in and week out knowing your team is doing nothing more than treading water.

You are like David Cameron all hot air. He thinks we live in what he calls broken Britain. He is smug AND wrong so are you. I thought he believed in competition you do not seem to care neither does the Crusaders fan.You are so smug it is breathtaking.

You want the elite to remain the elite it is killing our professional game. I support my team because it is loyalty thing rather like always being there for a family member or friend who has made a mistake.

Our game is run by Sky not by its' governing body. You do not care because you are watching the best.

Make no mistake when you take competition out of buisness that buisness eventually withers and dies. RL will go the same way.

Wether you or I like it or not RL is a minority sport. It always has been. Anyone with half a brain knows it is better to watch than kick and clap but it will never attract more speccies than footie.

We fans of this sport should want the best for this sport not support its's lingering death.

Sky are short sighted so are you.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: frankb "Why have Cusaders moved North ? How many free tickets Dico for their opening two games ?'"
0... The club moved North because the only interested buyer was in the North.

Quote: frankb "Widnes have more fans on average than Crusaders or Harlequins and take away visiting supporters Salford.'"
Despite the fact that this season so far Crusaders are averaging more than Salford, Castleford, Wakefield, Hull KR and Catalans, I doubt Widnes have more fans. Or is this due to 'free tickets' that you have imagined?
Quote: frankb "Non relegation league clubs have the best players put the current Dewsbury Batley Whitehaven Featherstone in Wire shirts not to mention the rest and have to stick with that for 3 seasons and you would not turn up week in and week out knowing your team is doing nothing more than treading water.'"
Why on Earth would the best players not play in the top league? Are you stupid? What sort of logic is this?
Quote: frankb "You are like David Cameron all hot air. He thinks we live in what he calls broken Britain. He is smug AND wrong so are you. I thought he believed in competition you do not seem to care neither does the Crusaders fan.You are so smug it is breathtaking.'"
Please don't compare me to David Cameron, that is one of the worst insults you could imagine eusa_whistle.gif

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Well two things first of all the best players are in non relegation league because there is a salary cap of 1.6 million for those clubs.

Second thing. Free tickets for Crusaders opening games. How many ?

And finally'so a third I suppose' I am chuffed you do not think much of the know nothing Cameron thing but do you not think we should introduce competition into the game we obviously both like? And if you do not tell me why.

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[quote="King Street Cat":1wa9s43t]Some might look at this as being harsh but I think it's fair. When are the Rugby League going to stop persisting with this fantasy expansion. If it hasn't worked by now, it never will! I'm all for reaching out to a wider audience with our game but not at the expense of historical clubs in the homelands.[/quote:1wa9s43t]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6731.jpg



Quote: frankb "Well two things first of all the best players are in non relegation league because there is a salary cap of 1.6 million for those clubs.'"
I don't understand what you are trying to say? Are you suggesting that the best players should be in the Championship? The best players play in the best league, hence it is the best league. That's just common sense :CLAP: Love him or hate him, 163 consecutive appearances should make Stuart Littler a Salford legend in anyone's book :CLAP::Others/NA.JPG



Quote: headhunter "0... The club moved North because the only interested buyer was in the North.'"


Does this mean that Man Utd are moving to the US, or Man City to the middle east?! icon_confused.gif

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There wasn't free tickets, plus the crowds for the opening few are double in Wrexham what they were in bridgend.

I didn't want an argument on this but all you folk claim that league will die because people arent coming out to watch the small town clubs is daft. We lose 2000 in Leigh (which we wont), we've gained 8,000 in Wrexham.

It's sad because there is such a gulf between the two comps, you CANNOT tell me scenarios like 05 were a good thing, teams full of journeymen aussies. We're one and a tiny bit years into the franchise system, more youngsters are coming through than ever, players are filtering down to the next level (you've got three from us which you cannot say hasn't improved your team) and I say give it a chance. I responded to this thread initially because for me the biggest contributor to this SL/Chp 'war' is disgruntled northern Chp teams. If teams work together it doesn't have to be such an issue. I genuinely see a brighter future together, forging links with ourselves is a good start.
Not everyone can be at the top, especially when you're a small town in wigan

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Quote: "Do you mean competition in terms of promotion and relegation? Because the game is not strong enough at Championship level to sustain it. As a Leigh fan, you saw first hand in 2005 what happens when clubs that are not good enough are promoted. You can't say that did anyone any good, and neither did having Castleford and Salford coming down and dominating the Championship every year before going straight back up. The leagues are actually lot more competitive and unpredictable since promotion and relegation was scrapped. Would Barrow have been able to win the league last season if there was still promotion and relegation? No, it would have been won by a full-time Castleford side that would have been promoted again, and then relegated again the following year. This is also stopping Championship clubs from stretching their budget too far to try and match the relegated Super League side and ending up going bust, as clubs like Widnes and Doncaster did. As well as this, Super League clubs are now blooding far more local youngsters and are less reliant on second-rate Aussies without the fear of relegation. So it's a good thing all-round that promotion and relegation was scrapped.'"


Then why not have the best of both with the promoted team safe for a year or two and the relegated club not receiving a parachute payment.

[size[iSo it's a good thing all-round that promotion and relegation was scrapped[/i[/size Of course it is - providing you are in SL

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There is a gulf between the comps because 99% of the money goes to 30% of the RFL member clubs

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You only get what you do because the RFL give it to you.
If it was up to sky they wouldnt bother with the Thursday night slot, which would be a shame.

Quote: "Then why not have the best of both with the promoted team safe for a year or two and the relegated club not receiving a parachute payment.

So it's a good thing all-round that promotion and relegation was scrapped Of course it is - providing you are in SL'"


The gulf is too huge to not have a parachute payment, they'd probably go bust.
It could just be me but a couple of the Chp squads are better than ever and I think this will continue as more dual reg players make their way into that level.
What that also does is flood the market a bit so that players cant demand such ridiculous wages for part time work.

The underlined bit I could go for but i'd still rather move towards an 18ish team two tiered conferences

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