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I think we are looking for the incident between the Grade A and the Grade C..But I dont see a charge,I can see it on the video evidence.

Why can't the panel see it? Soward takes the hit,doesn't like it,takes the game into his own hands.

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Quote: atomic "I think we are looking for the incident between the Grade A and the Grade C..But I dont see a charge,I can see it on the video evidence.'"


The Grade A offence should be withdrawn because there was just nothing wrong with it.


DETAILS OF CHARGE / REASON FOR NF :

Rule – 15.1(a) Detail – Strikes – Punching - Repeated Grade – C

The video on that angle doesn't show any evidence of that.

If the disciplinary have a video from a different angle showing the said charge,then fair enough.

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I'm more concerned with the fact that the panel have completely ignored what Soward did after the minor.Greg should take the Grade C,but Soward should be on a Grade D before his Grade A..They seem to have missed that bit.

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Having watched the 'Youtube' video on the Broncos site, I reckon Soward took exception to Greg's slightly late (but with both hands raised) challenge. He then appears to tackle Worthington from behind. I can't actually see any punches thrown by either player but Ben Thaler obviously did - he's right in the middle of the melee. So, presumably the referee's report has been used here, rather than an inconclusive camera angle. I still believe Thaler is the best there is, and am prepared to trust him on this one.

OK, we can argue that, if Soward hadn't tackled Greg, nothing else would have happened. Or we could argue that, if Greg hadn't gone in recklessly on Soward, nothing would have happened. As the EGP is available to both, it looks like no suspension for Soward, and three for Greg.

In some ways, we could benefit from this decision, as we have cover for Worthington, and I'd prefer Soward to be available for the Broncos against the rest of the teams! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Alan "Having watched the 'Youtube' video on the Broncos site, I reckon Soward took exception to Greg's slightly late (but with both hands raised) challenge. He then appears to tackle Worthington from behind. I can't actually see any punches thrown by either player but Ben Thaler obviously did - he's right in the middle of the melee. So, presumably the referee's report has been used here, rather than an inconclusive camera angle. I still believe Thaler is the best there is, and am prepared to trust him on this one.

OK, we can argue that, if Soward hadn't tackled Greg, nothing else would have happened. Or we could argue that, if Greg hadn't gone in recklessly on Soward, nothing would have happened. As the EGP is available to both, it looks like no suspension for Soward, and three for Greg.

In some ways, we could benefit from this decision, as we have cover for Worthington, and I'd prefer Soward to be available for the Broncos against the rest of the teams!
Alan - there is no way Greg has gone in recklessly.

When Greg makes a move to tackle Coward, Coward has still got the ball in his hands.

When Greg makes contact,both of his arms are in a downward position.Coward draws him in and the ball has barely gone a meter at the point of contact.

Just to add to that. If Coward doesn't pass the ball,then it becomes a fantastic tackle.

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Quote: Cokey "Alan - there is no way Greg has gone in recklessly.

When Greg makes a move to tackle Coward, Coward has still got the ball in his hands.

When Greg makes contact,both of his arms are in a downward position.Coward draws him in and the ball has barely gone a meter at the point of contact.

Just to add to that. If Coward doesn't pass the ball,then it becomes a fantastic tackle.'"


Cokey,

Check the Youtube clip on the Broncos site, and freeze it when Worthington makes contact. His right arm is out and at head height on Soward. he may well have been committed to the tackle but his right arm is high.

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Cover has nothing to do with it Alan.Sowards took the game into his own hands,tackled Worthington off the ball because he took one..Soward didn't expect to see red.Had Thaler not been in charge,he probably wouldn't have.

RFL disciplinary/review panel,do need challenging,and review/sentencing laws need to be clarified and fixed.No grey areas.No get out clauses like EPG,no reducing/increasing charges when it fits.What one see's another see's different.Fixed definitions required not available windows or exits to suit.

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Quote: Alan "Cokey,

Check the Youtube clip on the Broncos site, and freeze it when Worthington makes contact. His right arm is out and at head height on Soward. he may well have been committed to the tackle but his right arm is high.'"


Alan - would you be kind enough to post a link? I just can't find it. I've found the highlights on youtube which is the angle that's already posted on here. At the point of contact his arms are in a downward position,but because of the nature of movement of the contact,his right arm has been forced back into a upright position. There is nothing sinister in that tackle. He was committed and it just looks worse than you are making out.

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Quote: Alan "Having watched the 'Youtube' video on the Broncos site, I reckon Soward took exception to Greg's slightly late (but with both hands raised) challenge. He then appears to tackle Worthington from behind. I can't actually see any punches thrown by either player but Ben Thaler obviously did - he's right in the middle of the melee. So, presumably the referee's report has been used here, rather than an inconclusive camera angle. I still believe Thaler is the best there is, and am prepared to trust him on this one.

OK, we can argue that, if Soward hadn't tackled Greg, nothing else would have happened. Or we could argue that, if Greg hadn't gone in recklessly on Soward, nothing would have happened. As the EGP is available to both, it looks like no suspension for Soward, and three for Greg.

In some ways, we could benefit from this decision, as we have cover for Worthington, and I'd prefer Soward to be available for the Broncos against the rest of the teams!
Trust me, as someone in West Stand South Worthington threw plenty of punches. Didn't see the initial incident as I was following the play, but when I looked back he was knocking seven bells out of Soward. Not saying he didn't deserve it like icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif on the bright side not short of quality centres - them and props a plenty

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Quote: ColD "Trust me, as someone in West Stand South Worthington threw plenty of punches. Didn't see the initial incident as I was following the play, but when I looked back he was knocking seven bells out of Soward. Not saying he didn't deserve it like
Well done Col. I trust you what you saw.That concludes the Grade C for me then. icon_thumb.gif

The Grade A offence is farcical though.

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Quote: Cokey "Alan - would you be kind enough to post a link? I just can't find it. I've found the highlights on youtube which is the angle that's already posted on here. At the point of contact his arms are in a downward position,but because of the nature of movement of the contact,his right arm has been forced back into a upright position. There is nothing sinister in that tackle. He was committed and it just looks worse than you are making out.'"



This is it - I hope!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYbyJWhunEk
Quote: Cokey "Alan - would you be kind enough to post a link? I just can't find it. I've found the highlights on youtube which is the angle that's already posted on here. At the point of contact his arms are in a downward position,but because of the nature of movement of the contact,his right arm has been forced back into a upright position. There is nothing sinister in that tackle. He was committed and it just looks worse than you are making out.'"



This is it - I hope!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYbyJWhunEk


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Quote: ColD "Trust me, as someone in West Stand South Worthington threw plenty of punches. Didn't see the initial incident as I was following the play, but when I looked back he was knocking seven bells out of Soward. Not saying he didn't deserve it like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPbWxq6Lm40


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Very nice Frank.Does Soward get up and go tackle Worthington from behind,after they scored a try?

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