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| Quote: -VIKINGMAN- "So he took Warrington from relegation to a top six side and that's considered a failure?
Warrington are still even now another 3 players short of being a side that can win the title.'"
Cullen took over when they were bottom in May 2002. They finished 2 places off that year, then their record reads:
6th, 8th, 4th, 6th, 7th, 6th.
In that time, they've signed, amongst others, Martin Gleeson for a club record fee reported in the region of £200,000 as well as New Zealand internationals Henry Fa'afili and Logan Swann. Joey Johns played three games for £120,000. Then they signed Andrew Johns, then Adrian Morley, Paul Johnson, and Vinnie Anderson. They've had a multimillionaire backer and a state of the art ground built at Tesco's expense, and have won only one playoff game, never made a semi, let alone a final, not been to Wembley or equivalent since 1990, and only once in 7 years finished in the top five.
Warrington are generally regarded as the great under-achievers of the current era, with Cullen at the helm for longer than any other SL coach yet unable to progress the club further by year seven than he had by the end of year one.
Moreover, my mates at Warrington tell me the coaching staff were extremely divided on his split pivots approach, and that the problems of the club came from certain celebrated senior players and the drinking culture they backed, which the coaching staff were unwilling to bring out in the open for fear of losing the public and, in Cullen's case, the exceptionally lucrative salary he was on.
Cullen is a decent NL1 coach and a decent bloke, but with neither the competence or courage to turn a talented disparate bunch of players into a competitive SL trophy-chasing sides. He might do ok at Widnes, as he did at Whitehaven, but I'd take Kelly (or Tersis or Abram or Benson) over him any day. He's your Darren Shaw. Good luck with that.
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| How many of the mentioned players were actually his signings? When he took over Warrington they needed re-building which probably took a good number of years until they had a side which could challenge for the top 6. His method of coaching provided them with an attacking style (he expanded the Haliwell Jones to the maximum to enable this), using pivots either side was his way and it did seem to work particulary with Briers. Andrew Johns was a Simon Moran signing and only lasted 3 games. They in many ways like us have lacked a real quality 7 to get them where they want to be and have lacked key personel in certain other positions. Perhaps in his last year he did underachieve but since he has left Warrington look to have got far worse. A drinking culture is a tough one to deal with if so many are at it, I know for a fact that he tried to clamp down on this by visiting various estalishments in Warrington telling them not to serve the players but what can you do? you cant sack half the team.
The decision to appoint Cullen was also not just made by our chairman, he seeked outside advice and spoke to a number of high profie figures in the game and all advised Cullen. Even players he released years back wanted him (Gaskell, Kohe Love, Varkulis). He also has a key media prescense which helps us greatly in keeping our name in the loop. You might be right in what you say and i respect your opinion, but i have faith in him from what i have seen and heard and he gets my backing. If he can get us to super league and into the play offs then he will do for me. We need someone to get us out of this Division and we believe in just over 2 years time this will be Cullen.
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| Quote: -VIKINGMAN- "
The decision to appoint Cullen was also not just made by our chairman, he seeked outside advice and spoke to a number of high profie figures in the game and all advised Cullen. Even players he released years back wanted him (Gaskell, Kohe Love, Varkulis). He also has a [sizekey media prescense [/sizewhich helps us greatly in keeping our name in the loop. You might be right in what you say and i respect your opinion, but i have faith in him from what i have seen and heard and he gets my backing. If he can get us to super league and into the play offs then he will do for me. We need someone to get us out of this Division and we believe in just over 2 years time this will be Cullen.'"
Key media presence , aslong as he has a translator with him
Would make an excellent taxi driver as he often goes round the houses or even gets lost , well he gets most people lost trying to fathom out what he's waffling on about PMSL
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| Quote: -VIKINGMAN- " Even players he released years back wanted him (Gaskell, Kohe Love, Varkulis). .'"
What does this prove and how do you know?
Quote: -VIKINGMAN- " but i have faith in him from what i have seen and heard and he gets my backing .'"
Then its okay then, everyone can now start to tremble and fear the mighty Widnes
Was you putting him in the frame as your most wanted from those available before he was appointed?
Granted, he has experience, but I wish you all the very best with him
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| I've spoke to people who are still at Warrington about this appointment who worked with Cullen for 6 years, they've said it's a great appointment for Widnes and think he will do extemely well.
I'll be honest at first I wasn't that pleased but after speaking to the people that know him and have worked with him, I'm very confident he can get this team playing the rugby we think it's capable of.
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| Webster is ready to walk out after being snubbed for the job, I hear. Graham Appo to Widnes?!
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| Quote: Leyther_Matt "Webster is ready to walk out after being snubbed for the job, I hear. Graham Appo to Widnes?!
Naughty Naughty, Matt.
He didnt apply and why would he feel snubbed for the job when somebody with more experience as Stanky, was only put in temporary charge.
He's played under a change in coaching before and flourished so I cant see any reason why that shouldnt happen again.
Interesting to see the view on here that stalling in SL is considered a failure. I see some similarities with Ned's time in SL albeit shorter and with less success. He lost the dressing room quite publicly at Widnes and was too close to certain players which resulted in truly awful performances. He lost his job, ended up on a cushy number in RU and is now back at this level no doubt wiser for his experiences.
I see no reason why Cullen cant come back and right a few wrongs of his own. He certainly seems to have the desire and experience to succeed at this level.
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| I think its a good appointment for Widnes, although the program may need to have a few thousand pages added to accomodate Cullen's notes!
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| Would it count under the salary cap if they get Stephen Fry to edit said programme?
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| Quote: Leyther_Matt "Would it count under the salary cap if they get Stephen Fry to edit said programme?'"
Quote: Leyther_Matt "Key media presence , aslong as he has a translator with him
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| Quote: Wembley71 "Cullen took over when they were bottom in May 2002. They finished 2 places off that year, then their record readsAdrian Morley, Paul Johnson, and Vinnie Anderson. They've had a multimillionaire backer and a state of the art ground built at Tesco's expense, and have won only one playoff game, never made a semi, let alone a final, not been to Wembley or equivalent since 1990, and only once in 7 years finished in the top five.
Warrington are generally regarded as the great under-achievers of the current era, with Cullen at the helm for longer than any other SL coach yet unable to progress the club further by year seven than he had by the end of year one.
Moreover, my mates at Warrington tell me the coaching staff were extremely divided on his split pivots approach, and that the problems of the club came from certain celebrated senior players and the drinking culture they backed, which the coaching staff were unwilling to bring out in the open for fear of losing the public and, in Cullen's case, the exceptionally lucrative salary he was on.
Cullen is a decent NL1 coach and a decent bloke, but with neither the competence or courage to turn a talented disparate bunch of players into a competitive SL trophy-chasing sides. He might do ok at Widnes, as he did at Whitehaven, but I'd take Kelly (or Tersis or Abram or Benson) over him any day. He's your Darren Shaw. Good luck with that.'"
You do realise that Joey Johns and Andrew Johns are one in the same , I hope, but I guess being a Leigh fan could hinder your knowledge of RL.
Roll on Good Friday.
The Vicar
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| Quote: The Vicar of Widnes "You do realise that Joey Johns and Andrew Johns are one in the same , I hope, but I guess being a Leigh fan could hinder your knowledge of RL.
Roll on Good Friday.
The Vicar'"
Typo. Roll on Good Friday indeed, though a sanctimonious man of the cloth like you should be "tending" your flock.
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| Quote: Wembley71 "Typo. Roll on Good Friday indeed, though a sanctimonious man of the cloth like you should be "tending" your flock.'"
Is he from yorkshire ?
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| Quote: -VIKINGMAN- "How many of the mentioned players were actually his signings? When he took over Warrington they needed re-building which probably took a good number of years until they had a side which could challenge for the top 6. His method of coaching provided them with an attacking style (he expanded the Haliwell Jones to the maximum to enable this), using pivots either side was his way and it did seem to work particulary with Briers. Andrew Johns was a Simon Moran signing and only lasted 3 games. They in many ways like us have lacked a real quality 7 to get them where they want to be and have lacked key personel in certain other positions. Perhaps in his last year he did underachieve but since he has left Warrington look to have got far worse. A drinking culture is a tough one to deal with if so many are at it, I know for a fact that he tried to clamp down on this by visiting various estalishments in Warrington telling them not to serve the players but what can you do? you cant sack half the team.
Will his first visit in chemic land be to the club bar.Here last months valentines night went with a bang,wags included.Very classy.
The decision to appoint Cullen was also not just made by our chairman, he seeked outside advice and spoke to a number of high profie figures in the game and all advised Cullen. Even players he released years back wanted him (Gaskell, Kohe Love, Varkulis). He also has a key media prescense which helps us greatly in keeping our name in the loop. You might be right in what you say and i respect your opinion, but i have faith in him from what i have seen and heard and he gets my backing. If he can get us to super league and into the play offs then he will do for me. We need someone to get us out of this Division and we believe in just over 2 years time this will be Cullen.'"
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