Halliwell was the best centre on the park last night, TKL went ok in patches and certainly wasn't poor. Mind you, like Nanyn for Oldham last year, it's difficult to shine at centre if the ball is constantly turned back inside. As for 2Bobs, he was an immense leader for Oldham and it was only when he went off injured that Widnes began to break us down. Yes, he talks to the ref, but Webster, Smith and Doran where hardly quiet in this regard. Perhaps the fact that 2Bobs usually comes away from the ref smiling, whether the decision has gone for or against us gives you a clue how to handle referees. Widnes players approached with disrespect, shaking heads, pointing fingers, aggressive (particularly Doran and Smith) - it's hardly going to help.

Excellent report DParky, altho' I would make a couple of points. When OConnor bombed the try the score was 18-4, a try then and it was game over. Wildbore threw 3 or 4 punches at a grounded player before O'Connor came in to defend him, it was hardly an even scuffle. Wildbore was right to walk, but O'Connor should have been sin-binned. The "strange get together" was a team talk instigated by John Stankevitch, who ran onto the pitch with the kicking tee and then called all the players round presumably for a b*ll*cking - completely illegal and hopefully Widnes will get hauled over the coals for it, especially as it had a major impact on the game and the way Widnes played it.

It's not, it's just gamesmanship. Anyone can take the kicking tee on, Stanky could of, as others do, talk to every player he passed running to the centre spot however got everyone in instead. It's not technically illegal, it's just bending the rules. Other than that fair post.

And to 'The Watcher' a Leyther started the thread 'Widnes V Oldham', so don't have a go at us for posting!

So 'time wasting' isn't an offence?

Still worked well didn't it

AJ its Vikingman we are having a laugh at

It made a difference, we went from 18-4 down to 20-18 up. Ill discipline and Oldham's superb defence won them the game in the end, and fair play to them.

Indeed, a very fair reflection of the game. Biggest disappointment for me so far has to be Thackeray - inside ball after inside ball all night. We were far to slow and predictable. As people have said before I think Widnes will struggle in the forwards this year and no reason why that will change when we play yourselves.

It could all click into place next week, but until it does, Widnes certainly aren't living up to the favourites tag just yet. IMO we're really struggling to find any sort of form and my own personal opinion is that we could do with freshening up in the coaching department. It jst hasn't worked with McCormack in the past and no signs of it changing any time soon - how long is Neil Kelly's contract with Leigh?

I didn't take much in the way of notes as it wasn't a paid gig, you are of course right regarding the Paul O'Connor "no try"

Thanks for the correction

If I was one of your forwards I would be cacking myself. Our young guns will be eating raw meat by then and craving flesh.

ah well thats that then he had a stinker because he didn't get much mention on GMR

Yep. Thats about it. Can only go off what I hear. I'll give him three more games before he hands in a sick note.

Dear Steve. I'm sorry Toa cant play this week because he couldn't get motivated.
All the best. Toa.
Oh by the way dont forget to post my wage slip to me at the gym.

IM a die hard widnes fan, so if you want have a pop at me but what i will say is while we have a complete fool in charge the results of the above will become more frequent, you have a fantastic coach in kelly he did absoloute wonders for our club i just wish he would come back, no offence leythers lol. In all seriousness would you like to swap a coach who shows no EMOTION what so ever and who also plays constant pass and drive rugby for Neil Kelly?

Hope you enjoy watching the ball, the lad is a one trick pony.