No, he will never be forgiven for trying *along with his agent* to screw the Club over. Toronto won't keep Ryan, he is not SL quality.

That's certainly the view we were fed Ste. I do suspect there is another side to the story, as always.

He took a five year contract at Hudds didn't he? Followed by his mentor being offered the coaching role. Both failed.

There's no way I'm going down the lines of DB has gone and all will return..

Let's get real.

Well let's compare to our halfs this year...Ryan can pass a ball a lot better than ours,his kicking game is far better that our halfs,can finish a try from 50yds plus ours cant but can't tackle any where near as well as our halfs...now we're talking about a 7 here so what type of 7 do fans want

Ryan not a super league player he as proven that he is a good championship player I would have him back at Leigh. I would have riddy back at leigh to if fev are cutting wages in half and we offer same money as them I’m sure he would come back and cut out the travelling 3 times a week. I can’t honestly see drew and Ben stopping with us next season as they both have stated we should to start to try build a squad of decent part timers with ability to challenge for a top four spot similar to what Halifax have done and then build on that things are going to get worse before they get better we all know that

Fully agree Monty 100% ,I can't see Hutchy being with us next year , not sure about Ben, but Ryan and Riddy would be a good way to start building a team again,chuck in Higson and Pownall could be willing to return, we won't be a SL team so why mention SL class players?

As has been said , there are 2 sides to every story, maybe we have been told what was felt , we needed to be told.

I think he was lucky to get that contract too.

However, in terms of getting real, do we seriously believe his departure was solely because of his & his agent's ambition/greed?! Or did the 'Club' play a significant role in the affair?

However, I can't see him returning now.

Riddy's was the darling of Sky, pre-season, appearing regularly, on the box. I have a hunch that didn't go down too well, with some at the club! Granted, he wasn't always the fittest, but he also played when injured, and was quicker than most, where it counts - I.e. Between the ears!

Riddy was made a scapegoat by Jukes after being thrown in against Cas the first game of last year unfit after having back problems all pre season and not being able to train. He then went and got Huddersfield out of the bottom 8 and was shafted by Jukes. Practically every player in the team asked Jukes to bring Riddy back from Hudds and he wouldn't because he'd lose face.

Gregg McNally was never given a chance based on defence?? he immediately made us more potent in attack when he did get a chance, has any of you seen Gareth Obrien tackle? hes still one of the best fullbacks in the UK game.

Brierley manufactured his own move after having his request for a pay rise knocked back, he was quickly found out of his depth in SL and even now his "mentor" Rowley has dropped him against teams where something is at stake, read into hat what you will.

None of the players liked or even respected Jukes that's where the problem was, I don't know of any other club that sacks all the players instead of the coach??

Look at Huddersfield & St Helens now.

Absolutely spot on.

Binosh is spot on about Jukes.

The club knew early this season that a wedge was developing between Jukes and the players. 2017 was all repeating itself early in 2018. Derek was under immense pressure.

The reaction from some of this seasons squad later on the day that Jukes actually fell on his sword tells us everything.

A more diplomatic assessment was made by Harrison Hanson in his programme notes following the Toulouse defeat, but telling all the same.

& still not one scrap of news, positive, negative or otherwise. I am getting the feeling this is terminally bad !

Patience my boy

We seem to have slipped back into the bad old days of minimal communications, Ste. And I thought we had got that sorted!