You are right in what you say,but what did we do the normal,non productive , high kicks

Widnes have lost more than they have won on the i pitch this season.

well maybe they could have trained on the same sort of pitch at Leigh east in fact the ones at Leigh east are more up to date than the Widnes one but has the same bouncability

Contradiction in terms.

Funny how we get these comments when we beat a team, no mention of the pitch when a team turns us over. Not many of those Leigh players were playing on the pitch for the first time, everyone knows what it's like and it's up to the team to prepare accordingly.

By the way, did you know Widnes offer ever club the ability to train on the pitch leading up to a game there? No one takes them up on it.

Widnes won at Leigh in April,on grass.
As posted above,the i pitch only becomes an issue when Widnes win on it.When the opposition win on it,which is often,it's not mentioned.

Pitch is no excuse. We train on one most weeks at Leigh Easts depending on the weather.

The pitch? What's are excuse all the other times the officials it comes down to confidence and we clearly not going not at the moment the team should of been buzzing after a win over our local rivals but no go back to playing one up rugby and predictable plays when swinging it out wide. If things don't change for the middle 8s we will be back playing 2nd grade rugby again next season. We are carrying to many passengers on a match day and can't afford to do it in the super league. If we manage to stop up I think a change of personnel is need on and off the pitch

I think from watching you last night your halves aren't SL halves. We struggled this year because we lost Mellor and Gilmore pretty much all year (Mellor's first game back in ages last night). Danny Craven came in and played well then he got injured, hence bringing Rangi in but now we're getting halves back, suddenly the likes of Thompson, Bridge, Hanbury etc are looking like top players again due to direction, experience and good play form the half backs. Leigh have some SL players but not where you need them the most!

been saying for a while the halfbacks are struggling and not creating much as well as the worst kicking game in superleague,the only time we look dangerous is off a quick play the ball and our hookers pick up and go,the outside backs are getting slow ball and with them not being the quickest the other teams defences have plenty of time to get back in position to make a tackle

For me, the thread title says it all - currently we are not good enough! With all respect to Widnes- who were BOTTOM of SL up to last night - they have totally outclassed us twice so far. We SHOULD be worried about playing them again - and Catalans, Warrington, Saints, or Huddersfield, or Wigan, plus the leading Championship teams.

Lange & Mortimer had best turn out to be inspired signings, who strike up an instant understanding, and the return of Hock, Higham, Acton & Higson had better return us to something like our early season form!

It looks like all the money we have spent will give us 1 place higher than we finished last year!

And your once again positive point is what exactly - and we played to the salary cap last year, so likely not spent any more this, just it was Sky money not Dereks

And there is no shame in coming bottom of the highest RL league in Europe- especially as we have competed in most instances

Spot on!

thank you, and Cokey

Peter and other negative posters - as much as they are entitled to an opinion - are getting on my wick, what exactly were there expectations this season, especially with a busted squad for the majority of the season

Let's see what happens when it matters before we judge