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Quote: Starbug "Why are they unrealistic ?

If all you are doing to try to increase them is hope they will come , then quite simply they won't

If you are trying to get somebody to buy a new brand of wine in a supermarket , or maybe a new flavour of pizza , what do you do ?

You give them a free sample

How many people , mostly kids have never set foot inside the LSV to watch Leigh ?

Why do people go to watch live sport ? , or a concert that they can watch on video or TV for a fraction of the cost ? , why have they had to have a lottery for the tickets for the Olympics ? , when you will get a much better view on the TV for free ?'"


They are unrealistic IMO as no club in this division has ever achieved a 4,000 average without Promotion and relegation.
I'd say that Widnes apart many clubs in our division really struggle to average 1,900 paying fans.
Yes plan for a projection of gates of 2,3 or 4,000 but don't finance for gates that are at the current moment in time and looking at previous averages very hard to achieve.

I agree with the rest of your post, they are all achievable aims, however mixing up aims and aspirations with 'must hit' targets is where you can end up in a mess unless you have a benefactor /backer or investors willing to make up the shortfall.

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Quote: JENKY "They are unrealistic IMO as no club in this division has ever achieved a 4,000 average without Promotion and relegation.
I'd say that Widnes apart many clubs in our division really struggle to average 1,900 paying fans.
Yes plan for a projection of gates of 2,3 or 4,000 but don't finance for gates that are at the current moment in time and looking at previous averages very hard to achieve.

I agree with the rest of your post, they are all achievable aims, however mixing up aims and aspirations with 'must hit' targets is where you can end up in a mess unless you have a benefactor /backer or investors willing to make up the shortfall.'"


Just because something hasn't been done before or is hard to achieve , doesn't mean it can't be done , the actual real target is 12,000

It's how you go about achieving it , if all you do is try the same things that have failed in the past , you will fail , so you start with a blank piece of paper with what you want to achieve on it , then figure out a way to do it

What comes to mind is something in one TV show and also a film

I cannot remember which TV show it was but it was the last episode and the characters were discussing their future , " I have heard they are going to build a new type of road called a motorway , well I'm going to open a place where people can stop and go to the toilet and buy food on them " , " if they are on a big road like that , it'll never work ", the film was the Memphis Belle , one of the characters suggested he wanted to open a chain of restaurants all over America where the food would always be the same , " Why would anybody want the same food wherever they go ? "

The bottom line is we have a stadium that will fit 12,000 in it , so as long as there is an empty seat then there is still work to do

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Quote: Starbug "Just because something hasn't been done before or is hard to achieve , doesn't mean it can't be done , the actual real target is 12,000

It's how you go about achieving it , if all you do is try the same things that have failed in the past , you will fail , so you start with a blank piece of paper with what you want to achieve on it , then figure out a way to do it

What comes to mind is something in one TV show and also a film

I cannot remember which TV show it was but it was the last episode and the characters were discussing their future , " I have heard they are going to build a new type of road called a motorway , well I'm going to open a place where people can stop and go to the toilet and buy food on them " , " if they are on a big road like that , it'll never work ", the film was the Memphis Belle , one of the characters suggested he wanted to open a chain of restaurants all over America where the food would always be the same , " Why would anybody want the same food wherever they go ? "

The bottom line is we have a stadium that will fit 12,000 in it , so as long as there is an empty seat then there is still work to do'"


Well said.

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Quote: Starbug "Just because something hasn't been done before or is hard to achieve , doesn't mean it can't be done , the actual real target is 12,000

It's how you go about achieving it , if all you do is try the same things that have failed in the past , you will fail , so you start with a blank piece of paper with what you want to achieve on it , then figure out a way to do it

What comes to mind is something in one TV show and also a film

I cannot remember which TV show it was but it was the last episode and the characters were discussing their future , " I have heard they are going to build a new type of road called a motorway , well I'm going to open a place where people can stop and go to the toilet and buy food on them " , " if they are on a big road like that , it'll never work ", the film was the Memphis Belle , one of the characters suggested he wanted to open a chain of restaurants all over America where the food would always be the same , " Why would anybody want the same food wherever they go ? "

The bottom line is we have a stadium that will fit 12,000 in it , so as long as there is an empty seat then there is still work to do'"



Best post yet. Thats the spirit Steve.

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Quote: Starbug "Just because something hasn't been done before or is hard to achieve , doesn't mean it can't be done , the actual real target is 12,000

It's how you go about achieving it , if all you do is try the same things that have failed in the past , you will fail , so you start with a blank piece of paper with what you want to achieve on it , then figure out a way to do it

What comes to mind is something in one TV show and also a film

I cannot remember which TV show it was but it was the last episode and the characters were discussing their future , " I have heard they are going to build a new type of road called a motorway , well I'm going to open a place where people can stop and go to the toilet and buy food on them " , " if they are on a big road like that , it'll never work ", the film was the Memphis Belle , one of the characters suggested he wanted to open a chain of restaurants all over America where the food would always be the same , " Why would anybody want the same food wherever they go ? "

The bottom line is we have a stadium that will fit 12,000 in it , so as long as there is an empty seat then there is still work to do'"


Agree totally.
However if financing it from scratch again we need to take a realistic look at what can be achieved in the short , mid and long term.
We need short term goals with mid term aims and a long term plan.

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Quote: JENKY "Agree totally.
However if financing it from scratch again we need to take a realistic look at what can be achieved in the short , mid and long term.
We need short term goals with mid term aims and a long term plan.'"


The one certain way to fail at something is not to try

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Quote: Starbug "The one certain way to fail at something is not to try'"


No doubt, but lets not forget not having a sustainable and achievable plan is another way to fail long term.

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Quote: JENKY "No doubt, but lets not forget not having a sustainable and achievable plan is another way to fail long term.'"


If you are aiming for 12,000 , I'll settle for failing at 6,000 for a few years until we get the rest

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Quote: Starbug "If you are aiming for 12,000 , I'll settle for failing at 6,000 for a few years until we get the rest'"


Don't mind the aims and aspirations in fact we should be aiming as high as possible on all fronts, just so long as we arn't budgeting for 12,000 and getting 6,000.

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Quote: JENKY "Don't mind the aims and aspirations in fact we should be aiming as high as possible on all fronts, just so long as we arn't budgeting for 12,000 and getting 6,000.'"


Budgetting for the break even figure is the logical thing to do if you can raise the shortfall , this then puts pressure on achieving the break even , part of the problem is that you also need to have a budget to spend to help you achieve the break even

Which is probably the reason why it usually isn't done , because people don't get involved to spend money marketing a club , they get involved for the ' sexy ' bit of having a team win on the pitch

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Quote: Starbug "It's how you go about achieving it , if all you do is try the same things that have failed in the past , you will fail , '"


Well promoting a game would be a start - we where due to play a big game against Fax and where are the advertisements? 1 poster in Avacab window (which dissapeared a few days before the game) and 2 in the Centurion pub windows - you had to be close up to actually read 'em.
Last night I passed Sainsbury's and couldn't help noticing that a family funfair was being held soon at Pennington Park. I have since seen several other posters around town for that event.
On leaving ASDA I noticed that Leigh RUFC were advertising an It's A Knockout contest plus another banner with some other event and DW Sports had a banner advertising their facility. Silcocks & Circus's do it all the time.
Why can't we advertise around town? I have asked this question on here before and get the usual "you can't do that, it's illegal". Surely we are a bigger organisation than Leigh RUFC and they are doing it !!!!!! If we are seriously trying to get bigger crowds then we must start by ramming it down folks neck by advertising EVERYWHERE POSSIBLE.

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Starbug , Jenky, stop arguing in circles, pool your ideals and come up with some solution.s

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