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Quote: Dico "As I said to my ol' friend Starbug t'other week on the VT

I think you are right there but without the opportunity of promotion ambition will wither and then it will be 14 then 12 and so on.

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I dont think so tbh.
The most important level that needs sorting, imo, is the level under C1.
Have is so ALL amateur teams in the country play to the same system, and have a north south divide or even east and west too and you have a national amateur champion. The elite winners of these seasons could apply to join the semi pro ranks. Not entirely sure how it would work, it's best left to better brains than mine but i'd send Gateshead, Skolars down there too, they could even pay players expenses if they wanted and have one national amateur competition where the region winners compete in the final, who can then apply to join the pro ranks. I think you'd get one or two teams finding their way to the top and professional status could be looked at.

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Well the trouble with that is most fans aren't as passionate as they think they are and do not have enough patience. I honestly cannot understand why for example Wakefield Cas HKR Salford should be ring fenced at the expense of a Championship club with aspirations.

Why should there be no opportunity for ambition? What the RFL has done would not be legal in commerce and I cannot get my head around that.

Almost 2000 years ago Emperor Claudius banned monopolies and why do you think he did that ?

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Franchising was the way to go imo, you wont change my view on that.
However, in 2012 I think it should be 2 down and 2 up, problem is.. I dont want Crusaders to go. I genuinely believe there's potential there.
2015 will be 16 teams anyway so you'll see 2 more up

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Quote: Dico "So you disagree with how the Scorpions are going?
That's ridiculously insular if so.'"


My blueprint is simple 20 clubs in SL, 2x10. 2 french and 2 welsh are needed, but if that is a no go then we must vote as the other turkeys have voted and that is insular. We need to toughen up and not be dumped on if we are to change/influence the rfl's agenda ie if we refused to accept the Scorpions into the Championship of 16 clubs they would be either fast tracked to SL or go bump, so if they wish to do a CC then fast track them, if they wish the club to grow organically then the championship clubs use some leverage.

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We wouldnt find 20 clubs in the Short term.
2 conferences of 8/9 East v West, we solve almost every problem including the players playing too many games line.
Until then reunite the Chps at 16 clubs

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: Dico "I dont think so tbh.
The most important level that needs sorting, imo, is the level under C1.
Have is so ALL amateur teams in the country play to the same system, and have a north south divide or even east and west too and you have a national amateur champion. The elite winners of these seasons could apply to join the semi pro ranks. Not entirely sure how it would work, it's best left to better brains than mine but i'd send Gateshead, Skolars down there too, they could even pay players expenses if they wanted and have one national amateur competition where the region winners compete in the final, who can then apply to join the pro ranks. I think you'd get one or two teams finding their way to the top and professional status could be looked at.'"


Quite possibly , maybe clubs like

Warrington Wizards

Leigh East

Bramley

Huddersfield Underbank

Siddall

East hull

eusa_think.gif , Can you see a ' trend ' developing here , that might be a problem for some ?

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The 14 consists of South France Aussies and we have North Wales Aussies. Add Toulouse, Leigh, Fax, Widnes, Fev and Barrow for your 20. Drop Cas, Wakey, Salford and HKR into the 6 and you have a gap that is breachable in year 1, as long as you know in April/May at latest.

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Quote: Starbug "Quite possibly , maybe clubs like

Warrington Wizards

Leigh East

Bramley

Huddersfield Underbank

Siddall

East hull


I agree Starbug, completely.
If that's the case then so be it.
We keep hearing there's great amateur links around the country, if so then these areas will beat those sides.
If Bramley draw bigger support than Hunslet then they replace or add to the Chp. For me the Chp would also be franchised and so this club would have to show they could really add something to the league. They could be promoted at any time and any club winning the national title would have the right to apply.

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Quote: Dico "I agree Starbug, completely.
If that's the case then so be it.
We keep hearing there's great amateur links around the country, if so then these areas will beat those sides.
If Bramley draw bigger support than Hunslet then they replace or add to the Chp. For me the Chp would also be franchised and so this club would have to show they could really add something to the league. They could be promoted at any time and any club winning the national title would have the right to apply.'"


What has that got to do with anything ?
This is what you posted

Quote: Dico "have one national amateur competition where the region winners compete in the final, who can then apply to join the pro ranks'"


Winners , ie ' on the pitch '

In the final , who get there by being the best ' on the pitch '

We already have two ' national ' amatuer comps , and as far as I can remember , heartland clubs have contested all the recent relative finals

It doesn't work , only one thing will expand the game at pro/semipro level , money , money provided and administrated by the governing body and its member clubs

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Ahh I said the winners could apply to join what would be a franchised Chp.
They would have to show that they could be sustainable at that level which is why I brought crowds into it old boy.
We dont want two national conferences we want regional comps with national finals.

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Quote: Dico "I agree Starbug, completely.
If that's the case then so be it.
We keep hearing there's great amateur links around the country, if so then these areas will beat those sides.
If Bramley draw bigger support than Hunslet then they replace or add to the Chp. For me the Chp would also be franchised and so this club would have to show they could really add something to the league. They could be promoted at any time and any club winning the national title would have the right to apply.'"


But franchising is not working and is an anathaema to the UK sporting public at whatever sport.

Pro RL is in a hole and franchising the Championship would make that hole bigger. The bigger the hole the more difficulty in getting out.

Why not introduce franchising to footie ? Why no European League instead of a European footie cup comp ?

Why are Blackpool FC or Wigan or Bolton in the premiership ? Would they be if the FA had introduced franchising ? And would footie be better or worse with franchising do you think ? Ask a footie fan.

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Quote: Dico "Ahh I said the winners could apply to join what would be a franchised Chp.
They would have to show that they could be sustainable at that level which is why I brought crowds into it old boy.
We dont want two national conferences we want regional comps with national finals.'"


So you are suggesting that a club playing in a totally inferior competition could qualify to apply for the Championships by winning one match ?

How do you judge ' sustainable ' when a club is at amatuer level ? ie it is not actually paying its players or charging very much if anything for admission ?

This club then has to jump to paying a squad of players and then suddenly all the other associated costs

Think again , the jump from amatuer to a single Championship is bigger than a jump from the Championship to SL

We need more clubs at semi pro level so you can run two tiers which then flattens out the hill between amatuer and SL

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Quote: Starbug "So you are suggesting that a club playing in a totally inferior competition could qualify to apply for the Championships by winning one match ?
Well.. yes, if they won through the finals series. If they were so inferior they wouldnt win. period.

How do you judge ' sustainable ' when a club is at amatuer level ? ie it is not actually paying its players or charging very much if anything for admission ?
Its a bit of guesswork but its easier than throwing a new area into SL, as you said in other places with that money you could set up 4 or 5 semi pro clubs

This club then has to jump to paying a squad of players and then suddenly all the other associated costs
Well yes, they could even pay players 'expenses' in the national championships if they wanted, with an aim to moving up in future. The pressure wouldnt be on them to do a Blackpool though at this level

Think again , the jump from amatuer to a single Championship is bigger than a jump from the Championship to SL
You think so? I cant say I know the ins and outs

We need more clubs at semi pro level so you can run two tiers which then flattens out the hill between amatuer and SL
I agree and I propose this is how we go about it. It may work, it might well not but things are dying on their ar$e at the moment'"


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