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Going to the grounds that had their particular quirks was part of proper RL, days out on a Monks/Hutchinson coach before the Super League e came along.

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Quote: Rumpole "Why oh why does everyone on this and other sites go on about Gateshead.

As the owner of the club I read with interest the comments raised about our club and its special arrangements. I can tell you all (from the horses mouth) that Gateshead do not get any extra funding from the RFL. It has 8 possible players it can field from other countries but it actually has 3 used as the other players all have UK and or EC passports and could have played for any club in the competition using their status.

We are a developing club that has just passed its 10 year history mark who had one year in the SL and had its licence taken from it to go to Hull because they could not manage their finances so expansion in 1999 was given back to the heartlands due to mismanagment by a hearland club and some reward that was for failure!.

I come from the so called heartlands and have lived with the game for all of my 54 years and decided to go to Gateshead to support my son who played for them back in the dark ages when they were bottom of the then NL2. We are no longer in that era due to some good management, a bit of luck and a few quid lighter in my pocket.

We have come along way since those days and have invested both on and off the field to gain credibility. We won the NL2 cup on well within the salary cap and have survived this year under the same cap and the same rules as every other club in the competition. We are a developing club with little or no amature clubs around us but that is changing for the better. Expansion takes time.

No one likes to go down a step and we know what it is like in the NL2 lower league as we were there for so long. I wish the club well and hope that you do a Dewsbury.



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I don't think the fans have a problem with Gateshead as such. The problem is with the RFL and the way expansion teams are treated compared to our own. The past failed attempts at expanding the game and the scandalous way Celtic Crusaders were fast tracked, has left a nasty taste in the mouth of heartland supporters and, as a result, expansion clubs are treated with a large degree of suspicion.

If expansion clubs were allowed to play as many quota players as they liked, but could only put licence bids in when they were competing on a level playing field with the rest of us, for the season prior to a bid, there'd be a lot less animosity and distrust of these clubs.

Surely it must be understandable even to you those Leigh fans, who have just lost a relegation battle with you, and have finished above Toulouse, and are still relegated, have every right to question why expansion clubs should be given such protectionist privileges? They had quota players turned down at the start of the season, and here Gateshead are with three!

They’re hurting, and quite understandably too.

I know Gateshead are not at fault, but you simply cannot demand respect from fans of a club which has fallen foul of advantages given to expansion clubs. Leigh are a great old club with a fine history, a decent level of support and a wonderful new ground. They produce an incredible amount of players, considering the size of the town, and would be a massive loss to the game, particularly in the lower leagues, should they now find themselves in trouble in CH1 and go out of business.

Until the RFL can behave in an honest and open manner, and bring through development clubs without it being detrimental to a fair competition and affecting heartland clubs ambitions so badly, it’s not going to be easy for clubs like Gateshead to gain the respect they feel they deserve. Suspicion and mistrust will always remain.

It’s the RFL who are to blame though. Nobody else.

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Quote: Pepe "I don't think the fans have a problem with Gateshead as such. The problem is with the RFL and the way expansion teams are treated compared to our own. The past failed attempts at expanding the game and the scandalous way Celtic Crusaders were fast tracked, has left a nasty taste in the mouth of heartland supporters and, as a result, expansion clubs are treated with a large degree of suspicion.

If expansion clubs were allowed to play as many quota players as they liked, but could only put licence bids in when they were competing on a level playing field with the rest of us, for the season prior to a bid, there'd be a lot less animosity and distrust of these clubs.

Surely it must be understandable even to you those Leigh fans, who have just lost a relegation battle with you, and have finished above Toulouse, and are still relegated, have every right to question why expansion clubs should be given such protectionist privileges? They had quota players turned down at the start of the season, and here Gateshead are with three!

They’re hurting, and quite understandably too.

I know Gateshead are not at fault, but you simply cannot demand respect from fans of a club which has fallen foul of advantages given to expansion clubs. Leigh are a great old club with a fine history, a decent level of support and a wonderful new ground. They produce an incredible amount of players, considering the size of the town, and would be a massive loss to the game, particularly in the lower leagues, should they now find themselves in trouble in CH1 and go out of business.

Until the RFL can behave in an honest and open manner, and bring through development clubs without it being detrimental to a fair competition and affecting heartland clubs ambitions so badly, it’s not going to be easy for clubs like Gateshead to gain the respect they feel they deserve. Suspicion and mistrust will always remain.

It’s the RFL who are to blame though. Nobody else.'"


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Quote: Pepe "I don't think the fans have a problem with Gateshead as such. The problem is with the RFL and the way expansion teams are treated compared to our own. The past failed attempts at expanding the game and the scandalous way Celtic Crusaders were fast tracked, has left a nasty taste in the mouth of heartland supporters and, as a result, expansion clubs are treated with a large degree of suspicion.

If expansion clubs were allowed to play as many quota players as they liked, but could only put licence bids in when they were competing on a level playing field with the rest of us, for the season prior to a bid, there'd be a lot less animosity and distrust of these clubs.

Surely it must be understandable even to you those Leigh fans, who have just lost a relegation battle with you, and have finished above Toulouse, and are still relegated, have every right to question why expansion clubs should be given such protectionist privileges? They had quota players turned down at the start of the season, and here Gateshead are with three!

They’re hurting, and quite understandably too.

I know Gateshead are not at fault, but you simply cannot demand respect from fans of a club which has fallen foul of advantages given to expansion clubs. Leigh are a great old club with a fine history, a decent level of support and a wonderful new ground. They produce an incredible amount of players, considering the size of the town, and would be a massive loss to the game, particularly in the lower leagues, should they now find themselves in trouble in CH1 and go out of business.

Until the RFL can behave in an honest and open manner, and bring through development clubs without it being detrimental to a fair competition and affecting heartland clubs ambitions so badly, it’s not going to be easy for clubs like Gateshead to gain the respect they feel they deserve. Suspicion and mistrust will always remain.

It’s the RFL who are to blame though. Nobody else.'"
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Quote: Pepe "I don't think the fans have a problem with Gateshead as such. The problem is with the RFL and the way expansion teams are treated compared to our own. The past failed attempts at expanding the game and the scandalous way Celtic Crusaders were fast tracked, has left a nasty taste in the mouth of heartland supporters and, as a result, expansion clubs are treated with a large degree of suspicion.

If expansion clubs were allowed to play as many quota players as they liked, but could only put licence bids in when they were competing on a level playing field with the rest of us, for the season prior to a bid, there'd be a lot less animosity and distrust of these clubs.

Surely it must be understandable even to you those Leigh fans, who have just lost a relegation battle with you, and have finished above Toulouse, and are still relegated, have every right to question why expansion clubs should be given such protectionist privileges? They had quota players turned down at the start of the season, and here Gateshead are with three!

They’re hurting, and quite understandably too.

I know Gateshead are not at fault, but you simply cannot demand respect from fans of a club which has fallen foul of advantages given to expansion clubs. Leigh are a great old club with a fine history, a decent level of support and a wonderful new ground. They produce an incredible amount of players, considering the size of the town, and would be a massive loss to the game, particularly in the lower leagues, should they now find themselves in trouble in CH1 and go out of business.

Until the RFL can behave in an honest and open manner, and bring through development clubs without it being detrimental to a fair competition and affecting heartland clubs ambitions so badly, it’s not going to be easy for clubs like Gateshead to gain the respect they feel they deserve. Suspicion and mistrust will always remain.

It’s the RFL who are to blame though. Nobody else.'"


Hear, hear.

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Quote: distantdog "How very amusing. Farcical? At both these grounds you get atmosphere, real rugby league and this season, exciting matches. The pitches are part of the character of these grounds and part of their heritage. Why on earth should they be levelled?'"
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Quote: Pepe "Until the RFL can behave in an honest and open manner, and bring through development clubs without it being detrimental to a fair competition and affecting heartland clubs ambitions so badly, it’s not going to be easy for clubs like Gateshead to gain the respect they feel they deserve. Suspicion and mistrust will always remain.

It’s the RFL who are to blame though. Nobody else.'"


Scrap the salary cap and base it on what you can afford. Scrap the quota rule, so expansion clubs can bring in players they need and so can the heartland clubs if they want (though they shouldn't need them).
Problem solved.

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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "Scrap the salary cap and base it on what you can afford. Scrap the quota rule, so expansion clubs can bring in players they need and so can the heartland clubs if they want (though they shouldn't need them).
Problem solved.'"


I'm not too sure that we should scrap the salary cap, but income should certainly play a major part in how much any club can spend.

The quota rule is a good idea. But I think any club wanting to put in a SL bid should have some sort of youth system in place and have a minimum amount of club trained players in the first team squad.

But I don't think the RFL are interested in fairness and want a system in place that they can manipulate to secure the outcome that they want.

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Quote: Pepe "I'm not too sure that we should scrap the salary cap, but income should certainly play a major part in how much any club can spend.

The quota rule is a good idea. But I think any club wanting to put in a SL bid should have some sort of youth system in place and have a minimum amount of club trained players in the first team squad.

But I don't think the RFL are interested in fairness and want a system in place that they can manipulate to secure the outcome that they want.'"


Thats one of the reasons the Celts were ahead of us, their youth setup was better than ours - Richard (Head) Lewis said so

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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: DemonUK "Thats one of the reasons the Celts were ahead of us, their youth setup was better than ours - Richard (Head) Lewis said so'"


Did the RFL actually state that? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Pepe "Did the RFL actually state that?
Richard Lewis stated exactly that on BBC North West when interviewed by Gordon Burns icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Pepe "I don't think the fans have a problem with Gateshead as such. The problem is with the RFL and the way expansion teams are treated compared to our own. The past failed attempts at expanding the game and the scandalous way Celtic Crusaders were fast tracked, has left a nasty taste in the mouth of heartland supporters and, as a result, expansion clubs are treated with a large degree of suspicion.

If expansion clubs were allowed to play as many quota players as they liked, but could only put licence bids in when they were competing on a level playing field with the rest of us, for the season prior to a bid, there'd be a lot less animosity and distrust of these clubs.

Surely it must be understandable even to you those Leigh fans, who have just lost a relegation battle with you, and have finished above Toulouse, and are still relegated, have every right to question why expansion clubs should be given such protectionist privileges? They had quota players turned down at the start of the season, and here Gateshead are with three!

They’re hurting, and quite understandably too.

I know Gateshead are not at fault, but you simply cannot demand respect from fans of a club which has fallen foul of advantages given to expansion clubs. Leigh are a great old club with a fine history, a decent level of support and a wonderful new ground. They produce an incredible amount of players, considering the size of the town, and would be a massive loss to the game, particularly in the lower leagues, should they now find themselves in trouble in CH1 and go out of business.

Until the RFL can behave in an honest and open manner, and bring through development clubs without it being detrimental to a fair competition and affecting heartland clubs ambitions so badly, it’s not going to be easy for clubs like Gateshead to gain the respect they feel they deserve. Suspicion and mistrust will always remain.

It’s the RFL who are to blame though. Nobody else.'"
This is exactly what i was thinking ,well put .

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[img:24qn1m99]http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/DrGomez/Replacementbanner.jpg?t=1284815933[/img:24qn1m99] On thread drift: [quote="tb":24qn1m99]Tough. Conversations develop. It's their nature.[/quote:24qn1m99] Little Pepe went to nursery school one day wearing his Widnes hat. His teacher asked him why he was a Widnes fan. He said, “Because my parents are.” His teacher said, “That’s not good. What would you do if your parents were drug dealers and hookers?” He replied, “Well then I would be a Warrington fan.” [i:24qn1m99]There's a Wooly over there, baggy kecks and feathered hair with a 3 star jumper half way up his back, that’s a fecking Wooly back![/i:24qn1m99] [b:24qn1m99]Oooh-to… Oooh-to-be… Oooh-to-be-a… WOOLY![/b:24qn1m99]:24307.jpg



Quote: Starbug "Richard Lewis stated exactly that on BBC North West when interviewed by Gordon Burns
Better get yourself an amateur feeder club then. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Pepe "Did the RFL actually state that?
Sadly, the head of the RFL Mr Richard Lewis came out with that on BBC NW Tonight on the night of the Franchise fiasco's.

Gordon Burns: You say that the clubs are marked according to set criteria such as ground, facilities, on field performances, finances and junior development. Are you saying that Celtic Crusaders were stronger in more of these areas than the Leigh Centurions?

Richard Lewis: Yes I am.

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15:00
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Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
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15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R28
07:05
Canterbury
v
Manly
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
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LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
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Wire W
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Fri 13th Sep
SL
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Leigh-Hull KR
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Castleford
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leeds
Sat 14th Sep
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Salford
SL
20:00
Catalans-LondonB
Sun 15th Sep
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Fri 20th Sep
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Castleford
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Leeds
SL
20:00
Leigh-St.Helens
SL
20:00
Warrington-LondonB
SL
20:00
Wigan-Salford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 8th Sep
SL 25 Huddersfield22-16LondonB
WSL2024 13 LeedsW52-12FeatherstoneW
WSL2024 13 BarrowW24-4Hudds W
WSL2024 13 WiganW12-16York V
CH 25 Batley0-38Doncaster
CH 25 Halifax34-6Dewsbury
CH 25 Sheffield12-30Bradford
CH 25 Swinton28-8Featherstone
CH 25 Wakefield60-6Whitehaven
CH 25 Widnes6-12York
NRL 27 Manly20-40Cronulla
NRL 27 Newcastle14-6Dolphins
Sat 7th Sep
SL 25 Warrington16-2St.Helens
SL 25 Salford27-12Catalans
WSL2024 13 Wire W0-98St.HelensW
CH 25 Barrow24-36Toulouse
NRL 27 St.George24-26Canberra
NRL 27 Canterbury6-44NQL Cowboys
NRL 27 Penrith18-12Gold Coast
Fri 6th Sep
SL 25 Castleford12-34Leigh
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 25 619 336 283 40
Hull KR 25 669 311 358 38
Warrington 25 618 319 299 36
Salford 25 492 479 13 30
Leigh 25 548 362 186 29
St.Helens 25 544 366 178 28
 
Leeds 25 514 424 90 28
Catalans 25 439 415 24 26
Huddersfield 25 434 582 -148 18
Castleford 25 411 661 -250 15
Hull FC 25 320 812 -492 6
LondonB 25 309 850 -541 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 23 872 252 620 44
Bradford 23 602 359 243 30
Toulouse 22 624 322 302 29
Widnes 23 499 403 96 27
York 24 609 419 190 26
Featherstone 23 560 452 108 26
 
Sheffield 23 574 466 108 26
Doncaster 23 440 513 -73 21
Halifax 23 457 579 -122 20
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Barrow 22 384 634 -250 17
Swinton 23 418 590 -172 16
Whitehaven 23 400 772 -372 16
Dewsbury 24 292 793 -501 2
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