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| Quote: Alan "I guess times have changed, Jenky. In our current financial situation, the fact is that we can't afford a large squad of players - despite having attracted some excellent players, on comparatively low contracts. Yes, we could probably make up the shortfall by offering terms to some of the excellent local amateur talent, but that may not bring us success and the crowds we crave for.
The option of taking some of the best young SL quality talent on Dual Contract terms, is not an expensive one - especially if we are only paying match terms, and gives Paul the opportunity to boost his small squad. Last season we utilised the D/C option to the hilt, bringing in players from Warrington, Castleford, and yes, W***n. This season, the RFL has changed the rules and it would appear that we can take UP TO five D/C's from one club. That doesn't mean that Paul has to take five and it doesn't mean they get selected ahead of his signed squad members. Remember, we are paying those squad members a contract, so it would be a waste of precious funds, not to play them. Also, as far as I can see, the new rules don't prevent us from taking someone from another club (other than W***n) on loan, so maybe we won't be using W***n exclusively, to bolster our squad.
As for merging our community department an reserve teams - well, nothing has been signed up yet, to the best of my knowledge, and it is worth mentioning that we currently have neither a community department, nor a reserve team, to merge.
I realise how emotive any potential links could be, with a SL team, especially THAT one! However, I still believe that our BOD will not enter any arrangement that will compromise the name, or future of LEIGH CENTURIONS.'"
Thanks for the reply Alan,
As you can probably tell I'm totally opposed to the club going down the path we are seemingly taking as I feel its a massive risk as whilst we may attract some new support I feel we also risk losing some of the 'old guard' like myself along the way.
I realise we need success to get crowds up (ironically this hasn't worked recently as even with a plus win/loss ratio gates have dropped - but I get the idea behind it) but doing it this way is probably not to my liking as it creates a false dawn.
I'd rather us be realistic with what we've got and build up from 5th or 6th (which is probably our true position without all the DC's next season) thus when we do look likely to step up a division we have a real sound foundation, I'm not sure relying on SL players each season (be it 1 or 5.....or more futher down the line) is a good foundation to build on but I suppose time will tell.
Like I said though thanks for the reply as it goes some way to explaining whats happening at the club.
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| Quote: DemonUK "Jenky, we had 2 from them last year along with 2 from wire. Year before we had 3 from Warrington and one from saints. Due to the rfl increasing the number of loan / dc players clubs can have i assume thats why Paul mentioned 4 or 5. As far as i can see its not a twinning agreenentband i don't recall anyone saying we weren't using the dc system next season. Use of dc/loan players would not be classed as a rumour, i fully expected it.'"
I agree with that but if its 5 from one club its a fair old chunk of players and whilst I fully believe the club may not want to go above 3 or 4 DC's (or my even still try and get them from a selection of other clubs if allowed to) the financial implications and rules imposed on them may mean it has no other option than to use all 5 spots and all come from one club.
Equally I think the other thing that raises a query is will it be 5 at one time or is it 5 for the season (I'm sure we have 'replaced' DC's over the last few years), by that could we get 5 players in February from Wigan then with a turn in form for Wigan the players get recalled and we fill it with another 5 players from Wigan, resulting in 10 players in total having played for Leigh from one club over the season.
I fully respect others will view things differently and in fairness things seem to be happening so quickly at the moment in time its hard to see fact from fiction but with nothing concrete its easy to add 2+2 and come up with 5 thats why I'd like the club to put something out as parts of this agreement happen so everyone is fully aware of whats going on.
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| By my reckoning we have currently signed 20 players.
I think barring injury' in which case we would not need DC players' that the squad would certainly finish in the top 3 next season.
Being realistic if we do pick up injuries we have to take DC players or loan players.
Think most Championship clubs will be doing the same.
For our club we have the opportunity to take 5 players on DC rather than 4. Isn't that what this whole thread has established ? And that is the only difference between last season and the forthcoming one isn't it ?
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| Frank , i cant wait for next season , i feel Paul R has now formed a much better team than last year , hopefully Brierley will be better settled and get much more game time , and with Penky running the show alongside Riddy ,the Forwards will run riot , hopefully Hopkins will return fit , and Asppers have a good season , we will have plenty of options at Half-Back , again cant wait .
As for us finishing in the Top 3 , im backing us to win the League , and get to Blackpool , you could appear at the Tower .
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| I am looking forward to seeing what days we play on and how this 'relationship' with T'Humbles develops.
Do we have a deeper squad yet? Losing Bibey and Duffy and replacing them with Aspinwall and Penky is a move forward though.
Hope we can tie Spencer to a season loan and find a strike centre.
I am a bit concerned with all these hookers and halves we have though - Beswick, Penky, Nicholson, Riddy, Brierley and Coyle (plus McNally). Two will miss out every week unless Beswick goes to 13. Powell being rumoured seems a bit daft to add to this area.
Glass is half full, but expect clueless marketing/sales unless Derek B gets involved.
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| Quote: maurice "I am looking forward to seeing what days we play on and how this 'relationship' with T'Humbles develops.
Do we have a deeper squad yet? Losing Bibey and Duffy and replacing them with Aspinwall and Penky is a move forward though.
Hope we can tie Spencer to a season loan and find a strike centre.
I am a bit concerned with all these hookers and halves we have though - Beswick, Penky, Nicholson, Riddy, Brierley and Coyle (plus McNally). Two will miss out every week u, 2nless Beswick goes to 13. Powell being rumoured seems a bit daft to add to this area.
Glass is half full, but expect clueless marketing/sales unless Derek B gets involved.'"
Mo there are more Questions than Answers ,next season will be a very good one 2 names from Wigan i heard this morning were Burgess and Fraser-Lyon ,as you say it will be very interesting to see how this Wigan partnership developes , i personally think it will benefit Leigh , if done right .
As for for Derek B making a return you could be right i heard somthing at the week-end on those lines .
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| Quote: charlie caroli "Mo there are more Questions than Answers ,next season will be a very good one 2 names from Wigan i heard this morning were Burgess and Fraser-Lyon ,as you say it will be very interesting to see how this Wigan partnership developes , i personally think it will benefit Leigh , if done right .
As for for Derek B making a return
What positions do the two Wigan lads play charlie?
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| Lyon-Fraser is a fullback and Powell a halfback.
Still can't see PR having duels in for those positions if we can fill them with our own contracted players.
Maybe the question will be put to PR at the next Fans Forum.
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| what happens when the parent club gets injuries,we probably de register them then go for another.come the end of the season have they got enough games in to play in the play offs.if we have lots of injuries (like this year) all the hard work will be for nothing again.dont know if the rfl have changed how this will work or not.
if its been mentioned already soz must have missed it.lookin forward to the new season though.
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| In this morning's League Express-
Quote: "Leigh Centurions have started talks with Wigan Warriors over which players will be dual registered to the Championship Club next season. Both Tom Spencer and Matty Russell spent time with Paul Rowley's squad during 2012 and more players will join Leigh next year.
Rowley has met with his Warriors counterpart Shaun Wane to identify which players will most benefit from the link-up between the clubs. Rowley has confirmed the fact that he will have the only say in which players figure in the team each week. '"
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| so 20 odd pages and its still not clear enough for everyone.
I could only tell you what Paul told me, which as I see it we will be having some dual reg players from Wigan, he didn't say how many, he didn't say we won't be having any from other clubs other then we can't have any off Wire and Saints as theyve "twinned" , he did say it was his decision who played and who didn't. So I beleive what Paul said .
However its has its disadvantages like last year when Laithwiate played the majority of his games for us and because Hull had him for a couple of weeks on loan it stopped us having him in the playoffs, it should go off how many games they've played in a season IMHO.
We ended up with loads of injuries at the businbess end of the season and only had one dual reg player available to us, if theres a chance of this happening again, Id rather not bother at all.
We still are playing catch up and dont have enough funds to have just our own playrs unfortunately if we did, Im sure paul wouldn't have any duals at all.
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| Like I said umpteen pages back your wasting your 'breath' Lynda most would sooner believe pub rumour than fact.
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| Quote: ian c "What positions do the two Wigan lads play charlie?'"
One is a Full-back the other is a Winger .
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| With McNally, Kes & Pownall we don't need another FB but we definately need wingers with McGilvray & Clay now gone & a centre wouldn't go a miss hopefully a centre that's not a DC though.
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| Quote: leyther_geezer "With McNally, Kes & Pownall we don't need another FB but we definately need wingers with McGilvray & Clay now gone & a centre wouldn't go a miss hopefully a centre that's not a DC though.'"
The positions of the DCs we are talking about will obviously depend on what PR , thinks the club will benefit from , ive seen a couple of the Wigan lads , and think Joe Burgess the winger is lightening fast , along with Lewis Tierney ,i think with hopefully Spencer returning in our forwards we are fairley well covered in the Pack , and at Half -Back now .
Our current Squad is looking very strong , and a couple of good young DCs will put us up there maybe ahead of Fev next year , Wigan have some Quality lads , why not take advantage of them .
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