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| How does the lack of news on recruitment fit in with the stated ambition of building a sustainable Super League club? The silence from the club is hardly encouraging for fans. Are we experiencing the repeat of a never ending cycle of hope? Give the fans some encouraging news about signings and they will show loyalty and contribute to sustainability by turning up through the gates.
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| Quote: Leyther14 "That was very enjoyable. Let’s hope is is not as long between drinks before the next one.'"
Only 4 days this time Leyther
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| Quote: The Charlie Caroli "Good evening Bongser , yes I’m feeling good , I’ve had a bit of ill health , but have hopefully recovered now , thank you for asking .
Yesterday’s result did me a power of good , I heard the interview with both Marwan and Derek , which was very interesting , not just Marwan statements , but Derek gave a few hints as well, personally I feel this partnership would be great for Leigh , hopefully it will happen , we live in hope .'"
Hi good morning Charlie, glad to hear you are feeling much better from your ill health,
As I keep saying to myself "In't it gud gerrin owdwer - sarcastically", keep your pecker up mate!
But yeah what a tonic that was on Sunday, was you there? Overall we played really well, but I thought we spurned a few good opportunities when we had them on the rack deep in their half only to elect to kick for goal when awarded the penalties, Riugby League is all about territory for me and it is not often a team has the opportunity to begin a new set of 6 around the opponents 20, they should be taken to run the ball, especially early in the game it is different if it is late on, and how often do we see from the opposition's kick off a mistake being made deep inside the opponents half and 6 points result from it, as happened to us early on when we gave a forward pass on the second tackle from a kick off after we elected to kick at goal from a penalty and Salford scored 6 points from it, but anyway it all came good in the end.
As for the meeting of two great minds not to mention wallets, in Dezzy 'n the Doc (has ring to it that) I am over the moon about it, my massive hope and wish is now for the SL to increase the Salery Cap by a million or even double it, I am very optimistic that the Leyth public will buy into this and those who were in attendance only 4 years ago will return, not every one can stomach going to watch a losing team like us who have been going for half a century or more!
Seemed we picked up a few more injuries on Sunday and with not much recovery time till Thursday I hope we can do ourselves justice at Saints, only thing is those buggers have a habit of exploiting weak or unorganised defences, I hope Saints don't go and burst our bubble of euphoria we gained on Sunday, I would love us to finish the season of
with our heads held high, there are a lot of the player's trying to impress for next season, not only us but any future employer who may be showing interest, it is in their best interests to put a show on.
Again take care and keep well Charlie.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Hi good morning Charlie, glad to hear you are feeling much better from your ill health,
As I keep saying to myself "In't it gud gerrin owdwer - sarcastically", keep your pecker up mate!
But yeah what a tonic that was on Sunday, was you there? Overall we played really well, but I thought we spurned a few good opportunities when we had them on the rack deep in their half only to elect to kick for goal when awarded the penalties, Riugby League is all about territory for me and it is not often a team has the opportunity to begin a new set of 6 around the opponents 20, they should be taken to run the ball, especially early in the game it is different if it is late on, and how often do we see from the opposition's kick off a mistake being made deep inside the opponents half and 6 points result from it, as happened to us early on when we gave a forward pass on the second tackle from a kick off after we elected to kick at goal from a penalty and Salford scored 6 points from it, but anyway it all came good in the end.
As for the meeting of two great minds not to mention wallets, in Dezzy 'n the Doc (has ring to it that) I am over the moon about it, my massive hope and wish is now for the SL to increase the Salery Cap by a million or even double it, I am very optimistic that the Leyth public will buy into this and those who were in attendance only 4 years ago will return, not every one can stomach going to watch a losing team like us who have been going for half a century or more!
Seemed we picked up a few more injuries on Sunday and with not much recovery time till Thursday I hope we can do ourselves justice at Saints, only thing is those buggers have a habit of exploiting weak or unorganised defences, I hope Saints don't go and burst our bubble of euphoria we gained on Sunday, I would love us to finish the season of
with our heads held high, there are a lot of the player's trying to impress for next season, not only us but any future employer who may be showing interest, it is in their best interests to put a show on.
Again take care and keep well Charlie.'"
just let us know how a significant raise in the salary cap would benefit anyone
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| Have you not been listening to all those who are saying a 'levelling down" is doing the game no good whatsoever, we even have some player's on as little as £15K per annum, I send that much in going in Holiday (well did when allowed), but can you not see how if the good Doc comes on board it will benefit Leigh in amassing a quality squad, after how ALL the SL clubs decided to safeguard their continuance in SL by withholding funding from whoever got the nod will not bother me one bit in Leigh having an advantage at the expense of other clubs.
If the Cap is raised clubs will only spend what they can afford, hopefully they will keep within their means.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Hi good morning Charlie, glad to hear you are feeling much better from your ill health,
As I keep saying to myself "In't it gud gerrin owdwer - sarcastically", keep your pecker up mate!
But yeah what a tonic that was on Sunday, was you there? Overall we played really well, but I thought we spurned a few good opportunities when we had them on the rack deep in their half only to elect to kick for goal when awarded the penalties, Riugby League is all about territory for me and it is not often a team has the opportunity to begin a new set of 6 around the opponents 20, they should be taken to run the ball, especially early in the game it is different if it is late on, and how often do we see from the opposition's kick off a mistake being made deep inside the opponents half and 6 points result from it, as happened to us early on when we gave a forward pass on the second tackle from a kick off after we elected to kick at goal from a penalty and Salford scored 6 points from it, but anyway it all came good in the end.
As for the meeting of two great minds not to mention wallets, in Dezzy 'n the Doc (has ring to it that) I am over the moon about it, my massive hope and wish is now for the SL to increase the Salery Cap by a million or even double it, I am very optimistic that the Leyth public will buy into this and those who were in attendance only 4 years ago will return, not every one can stomach going to watch a losing team like us who have been going for half a century or more!
Seemed we picked up a few more injuries on Sunday and with not much recovery time till Thursday I hope we can do ourselves justice at Saints, only thing is those buggers have a habit of exploiting weak or unorganised defences, I hope Saints don't go and burst our bubble of euphoria we gained on Sunday, I would love us to finish the season of
with our heads held high, there are a lot of the player's trying to impress for next season, not only us but any future employer who may be showing interest, it is in their best interests to put a show on.
Again take care and keep well Charlie.'"
Good afternoon Harry , thank you for your best wishes , I’m a lot better these days , still a bit unsteady on my feet , but that’s life .
I didn’t attend the Salford , more fool me , as I realised I missed a cracker , I will be at other games this season though , I did say I expected Leigh to win against Salford , and also said if they didn’t they would win the rest of the season , glad they won though .
I’m extremely positive about Marwan if he decides to come to Leigh , the Derek and Marwan show would be fantastic ,and it would get a lot of publicity , it is even now from opposing SL Clubs .
As has been stated with these 2 at the helm it would give positive vibes to all Leythers , who at the moment need good news.
I think the short turnaround won’t benefit us on Thursday, and being Saints it won’t help us , but I feel we can beat Hull KR and Wakey , this season , I’m not sure about the 3 outstanding fixtures , against Hull, Warrington , and Cas , we may even have 4 if the Cats game doesn’t happen , no wonder Derek is. Upset .
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Have you not been listening to all those who are saying a 'levelling down" is doing the game no good whatsoever, we even have some player's on as little as £15K per annum, I send that much in going in Holiday (well did when allowed), but can you not see how if the good Doc comes on board it will benefit Leigh in amassing a quality squad, after how ALL the SL clubs decided to safeguard their continuance in SL by withholding funding from whoever got the nod will not bother me one bit in Leigh having an advantage at the expense of other clubs.
If the Cap is raised clubs will only spend what they can afford, hopefully they will keep within their means.'"
£15k a year on holidays, are you princess Eugenie, good luck to you
Think you have a short memory thinking clubs will not spend what they do not have.We have a long list of those.
.I think we should have an enforceable salary cap managed by an independent body.One that is crystal clear and easy to understand not with a multitude of caveats and exemptions as we have now with the club with the craftiest, imaginative accountants leading the way..Didn't your good dr try his variation of salary payments at Salford and came unstuck.
As a game surely we need to put money into the community to get people playing and watching again
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| Quote: satanicmills "£15k a year on holidays, are you princess Eugenie, good luck to you
Think you have a short memory thinking clubs will not spend what they do not have.We have a long list of those.
.I think we should have an enforceable salary cap managed by an independent body.One that is crystal clear and easy to understand not with a multitude of caveats and exemptions as we have now with the club with the craftiest, imaginative accountants leading the way..Didn't your good dr try his variation of salary payments at Salford and came unstuck.
As a game surely we need to put money into the community to get people playing and watching again'"
Firstly yes I agree with the imperfections of the cap we now run, it should be a set figure for all, secondly I did say in regards to clubs spending, that "Hopefully" they will not extend themselves beyond their limits obviously being well aware of previous financial shortfalls, so no memory lapse there.
You may have missed what I said in regard to a new structure and that is if we go back to Licencing - which I think is a very strong possibility - be it as SL alone or even Licencing 2 x 10's, that for the teams in SL they should be committal to what they will spend in a season as a pre requisite on any just if criteria that has to be adhered to over a certain figure they qualify for SL and it should be supplemented by the means of placing a bond, ifas team defaults on the spend they lose the bond , tge spend will be up to the cap limit, promotion of the club in its locality to get more fans back and even a set amount put away to spend each season on the amature game in the local community.
Does that satisfy?
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Firstly yes I agree with the imperfections of the cap we now run, it should be a set figure for all, secondly I did say in regards to clubs spending, that "Hopefully" they will not extend themselves beyond their limits obviously being well aware of previous financial shortfalls, so no memory lapse there.
You may have missed what I said in regard to a new structure and that is if we go back to Licencing - which I think is a very strong possibility - be it as SL alone or even Licencing 2 x 10's, that for the teams in SL they should be committal to what they will spend in a season as a pre requisite on any just if criteria that has to be adhered to over a certain figure they qualify for SL and it should be supplemented by the means of placing a bond, ifas team defaults on the spend they lose the bond , tge spend will be up to the cap limit, promotion of the club in its locality to get more fans back and even a set amount put away to spend each season on the amature game in the local community.
Does that satisfy?'"
Sorry thats as clear as mud.Anything is possible at the moment it seems structure wise.
Who would give out the licences should they be independent from rl/sl. Is their any tv money who gets that the rl/sl or the independent controller do aii teams get the same share irrespective of how much they propose to spend
I have my licence and £1million in my bank.So I agree to pay players salaries of £750k.I agree to pay a joining fee of £ 100K as a bond..
Whats a just if criteria?
Where does the salary cap come in.
Ive got a million for my licence my opponent down the road has £2mill to spend on his licence and is prepared to spend all of it how does he go on
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| An increase in the cap will simply give player agents more scope to play with. Average/fringe players will cost double what they are now. Great for the players, not so good for the clubs.
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| Quote: satanicmills "just let us know how a significant raise in the salary cap would benefit anyone'"
Firstly, apologies for jumping on this question (as it wasn't directed to me).
1. Leigh would benefit massively if a) D.B has the funding alone or b) M.K joins D.B & shares the financial burden 50/50. I don't imagine that Salford, Wakey or Cas & possibly Hull K.R would be able to compere with Leigh if say the Salary Cap was raised by £1M - £2M !!!
2. Club's would be able to run with bigger squads & therefore be less affected by injuries. Toronto & Leigh both started their recents seasons with only 24/25 innthe squad & look how that turned out !
3. Club's who produce or unearth a top SL/NRL/International player have a little better chance of keeping that player from going to a) another club or b) the NRL !
4. British Club's might be abke to attract top drawer NRL stars who are a) not in decline or b) nearly 40 !!!
5. Club's with spending power will be able to go after better Marquee signings, possibly making themselves stronger than thisw who don't spend full Cap.
Clubs like Salford, Wakey, Cas & Huddersfield & Hull K.R won't want a significantly higher Salary Cap because very ambitious Clubs are likely to spend it & either finish higher than them (pushing them towards relegation) or straight replace them via licensing or promotion.
I don't go with the theory that agents & players will just inflate their prices/value, Super League club owners & Head Coaches know the value of players. Ryan Brierley or Richards don't suddenly become £150K a year players !!!
Bring it on, it will put the cat among the pigeons.
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| i like your post but i dont think negative milly will
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| Quote: Ste100Centurions "Firstly, apologies for jumping on this question (as it wasn't directed to me).
1. Leigh would benefit massively if a) D.B has the funding alone or b) M.K joins D.B & shares the financial burden 50/50. I don't imagine that Salford, Wakey or Cas & possibly Hull K.R would be able to compere with Leigh if say the Salary Cap was raised by £1M - £2M !!!
2. Club's would be able to run with bigger squads & therefore be less affected by injuries. Toronto & Leigh both started their recents seasons with only 24/25 innthe squad & look how that turned out !
3. Club's who produce or unearth a top SL/NRL/International player have a little better chance of keeping that player from going to a) another club or b) the NRL !
4. British Club's might be abke to attract top drawer NRL stars who are a) not in decline or b) nearly 40 !!!
5. Club's with spending power will be able to go after better Marquee signings, possibly making themselves stronger than thisw who don't spend full Cap.
Clubs like Salford, Wakey, Cas & Huddersfield & Hull K.R won't want a significantly higher Salary Cap because very ambitious Clubs are likely to spend it & either finish higher than them (pushing them towards relegation) or straight replace them via licensing or promotion.
I don't go with the theory that agents & players will just inflate their prices/value, Super League club owners & Head Coaches know the value of players. Ryan Brierley or Richards don't suddenly become £150K a year players !!!
Bring it on, it will put the cat among the pigeons.'"
Not negative just realistic.
You have only listed one of my points made to previous poster who seemed to have baffled himself in that he has not explained how his theory would work.Im still interested to hear as Im sure rl would be..
I dont think the solution is to give the players all the money as tough a game as its now become.
We have been down that road before and ended up in a mess thats why the cap was brought in.
Look what happened at Pies Bradford.We then got the Mrs Radlinski Fielden scenario and what the Dr tried to do at Salford.
Have a look on the Pies board the penny seems to be dropping that they are probably technically insolvent and they are meant to have one of the richest men in the country backing them.
The salary cap should be monitored independently. Every time I have tried to fathom it I find another get out clause probably drafted by some smart accountant. Dire must have the best unless you look what Johns was paid and the fella who came over this year who ended up what was it working in the community then they go and sign Williams..
Think I read will be a reserve league next year.No idea how thats going to be funded.
I would much sooner the club take a prominent position within the community with joined up thinking between the schools amateur teams colleges womens teams im not sure teams anyone who is interested in RL.. .
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| Quote: satanicmills "Not negative just realistic.
You have only listed one of my points made to previous poster who seemed to have baffled himself in that he has not explained how his theory would work.Im still interested to hear as Im sure rl would be..
I dont think the solution is to give the players all the money as tough a game as its now become.
We have been down that road before and ended up in a mess thats why the cap was brought in.
Look what happened at Pies Bradford.We then got the Mrs Radlinski Fielden scenario and what the Dr tried to do at Salford.
Have a look on the Pies board the penny seems to be dropping that they are probably technically insolvent and they are meant to have one of the richest men in the country backing them.
The salary cap should be monitored independently. Every time I have tried to fathom it I find another get out clause probably drafted by some smart booty accountant. Dire must have the best unless you look what Johns was paid and the fella who came over this year who ended up what was it working in the community then they go and sign Williams..
Think I read will be a reserve league next year.No idea how thats going to be funded.
I would much sooner the club take a prominent position within the community with joined up thinking between the schools amateur teams colleges womens teams im not sure teams anyone who is interested in RL.. .'"
Not just me then!
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| The problem is that MK when at Salford produced a good squad albeit some were at the end of their careers but not a team hence they struggled. I am not sure that MK can keep out of dabbling with the team selection and he certainly wouldn’t be use to being a 50/50 owner.
I hope it works out for you but you wouldn’t want to sacrifice your current chairman for MK.
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