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Quote: Starbug "It is completely crazy that we have a school in central Leigh , a ' church ' school trying to cope with pupils who have 14 different tongues as thier main language '"


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Quote: Dick Jones "Im not rascist but I do think the government of our country need to sort a few issues out mentioned on this thread.

Lots of thing are wrong in our country atm.

WED someone I know rang their sons High School(westleigh) to ask why their son had no free laptop when half the kids had been given them, she asked what did her son need to have to qualify,basically they replied to be "on the social"
why on earth should anyone be surprised it was ever thus in this country the P.C. brigade hold sway you darent say a word about immigrants and their like Id like to know just whos Country this is I have just been banned from the Leigh Life forum for daring to have a view on something, when someone was allowed to post a very tasteless joke about Jade Goody, but that website is a closed shop anyway, and if your face fits and all that by the way the previous poster must have forgotten about the M.O.B.O. awards if they had a M.O.W.A. there would have been ructions

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wembley 71......... all you can come up with is that im a racist (which im not) and that i cant spell very good hahahahahaha

you no im right!!!!!!!! icon_lol.gif

id just like everyone to have a read of bnp.org.uk/policies-2/

download the manifesto as well.......... youll see that BNP is not a group for nazis, but a group which speaks the true and uses common sense which is lacking in todays government
wembley 71......... all you can come up with is that im a racist (which im not) and that i cant spell very good hahahahahaha

you no im right!!!!!!!! icon_lol.gif

id just like everyone to have a read of bnp.org.uk/policies-2/

download the manifesto as well.......... youll see that BNP is not a group for nazis, but a group which speaks the true and uses common sense which is lacking in todays government


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Quote: Mookachaka "download the manifesto as well.......... youll see that BNP is not a group for nazis, but a group which speaks the true and uses common sense which is lacking in todays government'"


It's founded and run by Nazis, it's lead by a Nazi. They'd like use to believe they're not Nazis... icon_rolleyes.gif

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Since when was this a political forum? I'm all for free speech, but I thought this was a RL forum. Lock this thread and remove any links to party political propaganda. This is all getting very silly.

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If being being proud of your nation and having predominanlty socialist views makes you a Nazi in its original form, then yes, they are.

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Bolton by birth, Irish by blood, LEYTHER by heart and soul!! [quote="BBC Sport":suio7kr3]30/04/06 "Some of W*gan's travelling fans headed towards the exit before it was even over.".................no change there then!![/quote:suio7kr3] [quote="Wembley71":suio7kr3].....They are our people. Drummond, Costello, Manfredi, Svabic, Martyn, Street, Tickle, Patel, Mossop, Horo, Bristow, Leuleui, Varley, Fleary, Rivett, Tabern, Doran, Woods, Donlan, Wilshire, Leaefa, Hansen, Sale, Murphy… these are all my people. As a Leyther, you’re one of us the moment you come here to wear the shirt. I don't care where you were born, what colour you are, what religion you are, what language you speak. You're one of us, part of our culture, writing our history as you create your own, and making us stronger for it....[/quote:suio7kr3]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10303.jpg



Quote: Mookachaka "wembley 71......... all you can come up with is that im a racist (which im not) and that i cant spell very good hahahahahaha

you no im right!!!!!!!! icon_smile.gif Wonder if Des,s mam and dad where born in Leigh.

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Quote: TV BOY " I have to say our government and previous governments foreign policies dont help matters. Gazza is a prime example.'"


Did he smuggle some Chinese in his suitcase when he came back from his stint in China?

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Quote: Mookachaka "wembley 71......... all you can come up with is that im a racist (which im not) and that i cant spell very good hahahahahaha

you no im right!!!!!!!!
There is a warning to us all here: that the price of democracy is eternal vigilance.

A number of intelligent and considered posters on this site have voiced their concerns about the levels of immigration into the UK, the assistance given to incomers while the indiginous population struggles, and the perceived change in the nature and character of our towns.

These are issues of genuine concern to people. Often their fears as exaggerated or based on misunderstandings... incomers don't get priority in the benefit system, but if an immigrant gets something before a local it will seem that way, even if they are both waiting in the same line and judged by the same criteria. Equally, if a drunken scrote does something stupid on a Saturday night, that's par for the course, but if that scrote is foreign, then they will be remembered for that alone... even if the proportion of idiots in that overseas community is much lower.

But the concerns that people have are real, and it is important for them to be addressed...

...and it is VITAL that the dangerous, malicious evil that lurks far to the right of our politics is not allowed to use this scratch on the surface of our society, and to creep into the body politic and infect us all with its poison.

The BNP is a neo-fascist party. It is not stupid, which is why it is dangerous. It no longer holds up banners saying 'send them back'. It is careful to construct its PR and manifesto to sound a populist note... being proud to be British, wnating to preserve our traditions and values. Of course it says the things that it thinks will win it widespread support, not universal condemnation.

But the traditions and history of the BNP make it quite plain what it is: a Nationalist, racist party which would gladly turn the UK into a race-riven latter-day apartheid-South Africa, or worse.

Its policies are based on lies, its appeal is based upon stirring up hatreds and creating socail breakdown. The BNP and its predecessors have done that from the Blackshirt rallies in the 1930s to the skinhead marches on the 1970s.

The BNP represent what real Britons (and Australians, Indians, Pakistanis, Poles, West Indians, etc etc.) fought and died to stop in WW2. They are neo-Nazis. They thrive on fear and conflict, they seek to create disorder and distrust so they can grow strong on the power of the hatred they stir up.

And in Leigh... my beloved Leigh, land of my family and my history, this rugged little town, resilient to countless kickings from government after government, stripped of its town hall, its railways, its pits and its mills, but still a proud, dignified community, with its Jamaican rugby stars and its Ukrainian club, its Indian food factory, with its protestant Parish Church where my grandad played the organ, and its catholic community sending plater after player up the road to HP (now LSV)...

...Leigh, too, is not immune to the poison of the far right. The economy falters, jobs are hard to come by, people are struggling a little.. and right away the Nazis are there, whispering their evil lies into people's ears.. blame the poles, blame the gypsies, blane the foreigners... and its easy to pick up on it... there are immigrants who are also scammers, cheats, thugs... and they give credence to the BNP lie...

...but whatever the legitimate concerns that decent Leythers have, about their work and their families and their future, the BNP is not and never will be the solution... they seek only to be the problem, to magnify and stir up the discontent. Rational debate, peaceable times and happy communties do not have a place for the BNP. The BNP want crisis, fear, and hatred, because without it their message has no audience.

In this discussion, people who are barely literate have sought to determine who's entitled to call themselves English... well, so be it, there will always be idiots. But smart and decent people have wondered whether the BNP might have a point. The answer is no, no, never.

Why do I spend such time banging on about this? Because this is the front line in the fight against fascism. Hitler didn't sieze power in Germany, he was voted in, by decent, reasonable people who wondered if the far right might have the answer. The worst evil humanity can inflict on itself does not present itself as such... it comes waving the country's flag and talking about pride and glory.

We live in a society where you are allowed to hold any views, practice any religion, be born of any ethnic group, and to have the same opportunity as the next person to make something of yourself. You are born free of the threat of torture, in a land which provides you with education, healthcare and social security, a safe and trustworthy police force, a free and fair juduciary.

These things are very rare in the world, even today, and they took generations to achieve, and countless lives to secure and defend. Our land isn't prefect, heaven knows that's true, but what we have is so much greater than we sometimes know.

These things are what make us British and proud. These are the things the BNP would take apart and destroy. The BNP are the opposite of British, they are a parasite, a cancer seeking to turn the cells that hold our society together against themselves. They are the enemy, far more than asylum seekers, Polish plumbers or Australian NL players.

That's why I write so much and so often. I love my country, my history and traditions. The BNP would destroy all that. Never, never give them an inch... they'll take your freedoms if you do.

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Excellent post.

I would also question what is English tradition anyway?

After all these lands were invaded by the Romans, the Saxons, the Vikings, the Normans - so when push comes to shove we all have some foreign blood in us anyway.

Yes there are social problems, high unemployment (I see enough of this in my working life), crime etc but the BNP in my book isn't and never was the answer.

Vote for them and risk letting in a future like that film "V for Vendetta."

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W71, I doubt any reasonable person could disagree with the overall virtues of your posts, however, I get the impression you honestly think [ithere is no problem whatsoever.[/i

Now, I agree with pretty much everything you have said previously about a decent society, but [iI know there is a problem[/i.

I am strongminded and as stubborn as a mule, so not many persuade me into things I dont like, particulalry some halfwitted bigot waving a 'send em back' sign.

But my eyes and ears are open, and like it or not there is a problem.

Denying it and then waxing lyrical about the sins of the BNP or any other extremist group for that matter, is in my opinion burying ones head in the sand and hoping the problem will go away.

If people accepted that our weak immigration policy has created serious social issues, rather than shouting 'Nazi!!' at anyone who dares query it, then it might actually help us deal with the issues properly rather than creating a 'them and us' mentality which is pretty much what you are doing by lumping those know there are problems into the same camp as Nazi thugs.

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Quote: Alexs Dad "W71, I doubt any reasonable person could disagree with the overall virtues of your posts, however, I get the impression you honestly think [ithere is no problem whatsoever.[/i

Now, I agree with pretty much everything you have said previously about a decent society, but [iI know there is a problem[/i.

I am strongminded and as stubborn as a mule, so not many persuade me into things I dont like, particulalry some halfwitted bigot waving a 'send em back' sign.

But my eyes and ears are open, and like it or not there is a problem.

Denying it and then waxing lyrical about the sins of the BNP or any other extremist group for that matter, is in my opinion burying ones head in the sand and hoping the problem will go away.

If people accepted that our weak immigration policy has created serious social issues, rather than shouting 'Nazi!!' at anyone who dares query it, then it might actually help us deal with the issues properly rather than creating a 'them and us' mentality which is pretty much what you are doing by lumping those know there are problems into the same camp as Nazi thugs.'"



What I wrote (and with guys like you, Starbug and Mr Chairman in mind) was"a number of intelligent and considered posters on this site have voiced their concerns about the levels of immigration into the UK, the assistance given to incomers while the indiginous population struggles, and the perceived change in the nature and character of our towns.

These are issues of genuine concern to people....
...the concerns that people have are real, and it is important for them to be addressed..."[/i

We don't live in a perfect world. Some of the things needed have been done (Aussie style points system for immigration, compulsory language and cultural tests), and some of the problems are more the result of press scaremongering than of genuine disadvantage to local and prioritising newcomers. But in both perception and reality, there are issues to be addressed...

...but there is nothing in the BNP to offer any hope, support or solution to any of the problems raised. Even dealing with the BNP on thier own terms.. for instance, the BNP website says"ECONOMY - British workers first!

Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers."[/i

Now, protectionism of this kind would lead to the ruin of the British economy. Setting up import barriers would do two things... it would make most products we currently import far too expensive for the ordinary person to buy, and it would kill the entire British export trade. It would massively reduce the wealth of the nation, isolate us from the global market, and wreck British economic deveelopment. It would collapse the standard of living in the UK and impoverish us all. There are two economies which operate on this basis... Cuba and North Korea. Anyone want to change places with them?

Here's another oneNORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism!

Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government.[/i

Does anyone really think the Good Friday Agreement, and 12 years of peace in Northern Ireland, was a shameful act by the British Government? Talking with the IRA led to peace and co-operation, unprecedented growth in the province to the benefit of all communities, and the situation now where the former leaders of Sinn Fein-IRA are welcome guests in the line to condemn attacks on soldiers and police officers. The BNP approach would lead only to renewed violence and hatred.

And another oneFOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britain’s interests first!

Britain’s foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations’ internal politics. [/i

Hang on, so we'll deal with murderers, torturers, fascists, bigots, communists... anyone, so long as we make a few quid for the nation? Selling guns to Mugabe, then? dealing drugs to Colombia? building prisons for the Iranians?? Foreign policy is complex, and its usually said that there's not enough morality in our overseas relations. Only the BNP could argue morality has no place in global politics. This attitude, for instance, would have led to us declaring a peace with the Nazis in 1941. Our morals have not been untarnished in world politics, nor have they consistently been applied... but were it not for our British sense of what is right, rather than what is easy, then perhaps Europe would still be under the grip of the most evil tyrants of world history. That is just one of the reasons why I say the BNP are the OPPOSITE of British... they are the enemy we have proudly fought against.

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Yes, there are problems, and these are inevitably magnified in times of recession and hardship. But the BNP are part of the problem, not the solution. We'd get a lot further working co-operatively, both within our own communities (of whatever origin) and with our international neigbours nd trading partners, than we ever would stirring up factionalism and building barriers rather than brigdes.

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