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| I think the original poster needs to get a good grip on reality. We were so close to going bust and look where we are now. Yes, things can be improved, but I think the management need our grateful thanks and further support for what has been achieved.
Rugby League as a spectator sport is going down the tubes and there is only so much a club like Leigh can do.
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| Quote mapleyther="mapleyther"I think the original poster needs to get a good grip on reality. We were so close to going bust and look where we are now. Yes, things can be improved, but I think the management need our grateful thanks and further support for what has been achieved.
Rugby League as a spectator sport is going down the tubes and there is only so much a club like Leigh can do.'"
Nowt to do with me other than being compared with "Fev" but I always get suspicious of these types of rants especialy when Hiding behind a new user name....Looking back at some posts from your forum im amazed your still in business,and on the field you are next to nowt away from being league winners  In the mix for the GF and the inform team at this end of the season
Nowt so strange as folk eh ?
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| Quote cushler="cushler"Nowt to do with me other than being compared with "Fev" but I always get suspicious of these types of rants especialy when Hiding behind a new user name....Looking back at some posts from your forum im amazed your still in business,and on the field you are next to nowt away from being league winners
In the mix for the GF and the inform team at this end of the season
=#FF0000Nowt so strange as folk eh ?'"
Especially those with multiple identities and just one agenda!
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| It's pretty tame on here these days!
anyone remember the old days of Flat Cap Man, Magic Man Moran and his multiple identities, also Phil Cafe Steve brainy Keith Freda etc too just to be. Quite funny at times when they all kicked off 
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| Quote JENKY="JENKY"From my point of view the thing the club does control is the kick off day and time when not on TV.
Its affected mine and my families financial contribution to the club and thats 3 down each midweek game.
It also effects long term though as I've surprisingly found its very easy to get out of the habit of watching live RL.
On Saturday I opted to stay in Scotland after a football match , last season I would have drove home knowing we had a match but this time I actually thought it wasn't worth it and as I was out the habit I didn't really miss anything (having not seen a game of RL on a sunday for a while).
The other major factors are not directly attributed to Leigh but DO have a big factor.
All our big games go to a Thursday night (how many times have Leigh been on TV this season ?), the Fev game Thursday if (rightly) played on Sunday would have generated huge interest in both towns and we would have seen a Big gate (I'd have hoped for high end 3-4,000), instead its a Thursday so in effect Leighs support will be a quarter of what you'd expect and Fevs home support will also suffer the effect.
Now lets throw in the Play off set up following this game - what other sport allows clubs to be MASSIVELY disadvantaged by not having the same amount of rest days before a huge game, in effect TV dictate who gets to a final - and yet this TV Channel is a Minority one amongst other Minority pay for view ones !
Time for the clubs to start bargaining as it cannot be left to the governing body alone (talking of which anyone after seeing SL Trucks will be pleased to note they can be found between Carlisle and Perth - I saw 12 - including 2 Wakefield ones 10 mins behind each other !).
The Championship clubs need a guy from the RFL who is in charge purely of Championship RL and that particularly brand with a remit to drum up interest in each town - the clubs however must drive this and not just sit back and do nothing, the gates are sliding across the board in this league.
Finally one thing that does effect gates, the actual importance of fixtures.
There is no getting away from it - it does effect a lot of peoples perceptions.
Whilst P&R won't be a back immediately I actually think in the Championship we perhaps need to look at what we have, is the play offs a help when calculating week to week attendances - do fans view a certain fixture pointless as 'we'll make the play offs in anyhow' ?
Should we go for first past the post as true Champions and maybe have the 'play offs' as a seperate competition but have the Top 4 from each Championship division (4 Championship , 4 Championship 1) with the Top 2 guarenteed a home tie in a random draw - perhaps then make it a true Championships play off day out , you'd still win a cup in the main event so it wouldn't be any different than the play off finals day IMHO.
I think RL is at a crossroads, I'm not convinced the sport is really moving forward at all levels but to be honest my major concern is purely Leigh Centurions and the towns local clubs, whilst this season has seen massive strides by our club both on & off the pitch I personally feel there is a lot of work to be done to stop the slide - and lets not forget next year the word on the street will be 'Leigh are playing in a feeder league'.....a very hard sell to get in new supporters and new sponsorship.'"
Dont agree with the rest between play off games bit, surely that is part of the advantage of finishing as high up the table as possible.
As for Fev i would love to know what crowds clubs like Leigh and Halifax would have to generate to take in the same amount of cash as Rovers do. I know Sunday was record bar sales its almost impossible not to buy a pint there are bars in your face the min you go through the turnstiles. I spent a fiver within 5 mins Sunday, golden gambles, raffles, programmes, liquid refreshment, some of the lads i took were downing ale all game, we must of took 50 / 75% of the gate income on secondarys. I would guess clubs not owning there grounds would need in excess of 4k to rake in what we did from 2800, your also more inclined to spend when you know its going to your club, for me a club must own there own ground to stand a chance in this day and age or at least work some deal out with the owners whereby your earning from secondarys
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| Quote Dick Jones="Dick Jones"It's pretty tame on here these days!
anyone remember the old days of Flat Cap Man, Magic Man Moran and his multiple identities, also Phil Cafe Steve brainy Keith Freda etc too just to be. Quite funny at times when they all kicked off
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Did someone mention me ?
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| Quote flatcapman="flatcapman"Did someone mention me ?'"
Missed you where have u been?
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| Quote gingdong="gingdong"Dont agree with the rest between play off games bit, surely that is part of the advantage of finishing as high up the table as possible.
As for Fev i would love to know what crowds clubs like Leigh and Halifax would have to generate to take in the same amount of cash as Rovers do. I know Sunday was record bar sales its almost impossible not to buy a pint there are bars in your face the min you go through the turnstiles. I spent a fiver within 5 mins Sunday, golden gambles, raffles, programmes, liquid refreshment, some of the lads i took were downing ale all game, we must of took 50 / 75% of the gate income on secondarys. I would guess clubs not owning there grounds would need in excess of 4k to rake in what we did from 2800, your also more inclined to spend when you know its going to your club, for me a club must own there own ground to stand a chance in this day and age or at least work some deal out with the owners whereby your earning from secondarys'"
I know what you're getting at, but there's also the expense of maintaining and improving your own ground, I could be wrong (it has been known once before  ) but hasn't it been stated recently that we now live rent free at LSV? this has to be a massive boost to the club.
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| You raise a good point there Glow and whilst it would be nice to have the bar and food income, I think then also having to pay for the upkeep of our ground and stadium (and staffing it all) would more than swallow that income.
An international standard stadium doesn't come cheap.
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| Well he/she got what they desired every response keeps the topic at the top for all to read........damn I've bumped it again 
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| Regardless of the OP's motives, there are some good points raised on this thread.
Considering what happened last year, the BOD have done remarkably well to get the club where it is today. It's a fantastic achievement. If we consider this as nothing more than a year of consolidation after the uncertainty of last year, then this years objective has probably already been achieved. The question now should be how the club kicks on from here?
A 25% reduction in attendances this season from last year should have the alarm bells ringing. It'd be interesting to know whether the corporate sales on a Friday make up for the loss of paying spectators, and if there are any better/middle ground alternatives (i.e. Saturday tea-time).
Looking at Fev and how they've kicked on since P&R was scrapped, it makes sense to look at what they've done over the last few years. At the moment they are the benchmark. Their crowds are up considerably and on the field they have been outstanding, on top of this they are running academy sides that are competing with SL academies. These are some of the things Leigh RL needs to achieve.
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