ah so at long last you realise that Widnes are no longer a top team.

Our defence was poop once again, mostly on the left edge and particularly in the first half. Fev are a good side and exploited that well in the first half. People need to stop having a go at individual players and realise that they are the best we have at the moment and we need to get behind them.

There is a slight positive though - we have only played in 'parts' in the last two games and have managed to get bonus points against (IMO) the best two side in the league away from home.

He is from Dewsbury although, curiously, when we had him at Dewsbury, he was reported to be from Batley!

Incidentally, we have been on the 'right' side of the penalty count in most games this season.

The most frustrating thing, and it was the same at barrow on saturday, after playing so poorly and giving so many penalties away and having so many errors, we only lost by 8 points and got ourselves into a position where we could actually win the game with 5 extra minutes. I only wish we would get back to the way we started the season with rock solid defence and attacking freedom. We only seem to show it in glimpses lately.

Ah so at long last you realise that Widnes were once a top team!

And Dave - Lee Doran won't be far off our player of the year this year, under Cullen he has transformed into a good front rower, particularly in defence. But he carries the ball better now and doesn't concede penalties like he used to.

If Leigh are on the wrong end of penalty counts on a consistent basis, then surely there's an issue there. Unless you want to go post 'blame the ref' every week it won't get much better!

..don't think that is the case this season

My dog is a Mongrel,IF he had been a Pedigree he might of won Crufts.

I'll repeat - Leigh have been on the 'right' end of the penalty count in most games this season. Therefore, on your logic, most of our Championship opponents have 'an issue'.

Wen Robbie Paul aint playing we look lost on the field, he never stops talking in a game, he directs our team round the pitch. I think people need to look at the players around him maybe they sum of them need to up there game cause no one can argue paul is class and always has been every were he has played, he has helped bring ridyards game on hell of alot, he improves every game he plays with paul. As for Robbie paul bein too slow what about our wingers they are way too slow and that is were we have lost our last two games end of, other teams know we are weak on the wings and that is were we are bein beaten.

I'm not defending our winger, the only 2 backs i recognise with a tiny bit of pace are Blythe who we can't guarantee to br playing every week, and Durbin who never even makes the bench. Robbie is past his best and doesn't have any pace whatsoever. I don't dispute he has brought Riddy on BUT I think Riddy would be better with a young scrum half with the creativity that Riddy has maybe DANNY JONES who I've been saying for months. I know he lacks about half a yard in pace but that's better than the 20 yards Robbie lacks. Jones has an immense kicking game and can create things. Him and Riddy would be frightening together.

I seem to remember Robbie chasing down a Fax player at Fax and he seemed to have pace then ,so maybe this operation has slowed him down don't you think and the injury before that which was the need for the op.

It's all right people keep saying that we are conceding tries because our wingers are too slow. You could be Hussain Bolt on the wing but if there are three men running at you, you will have no chance and a lot of the tries I have seen out wide our wingers have been out numbered. Our defense is soft now and that is why we are loosing games.

Agree with you there TV Boy, equally on attack you can have Billy Whizz and Martin Offiah on the wings if they don't get fed a decent ball they will not score. Alstead and Maden are both powerful lads with good pace, given a half decent ball in space they will score.

Both Billy whiz and Chariots would have scored last night for us, our wingers get the ball plenty of times they just arent good enough sometimes.