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| Quote: LeythIg "It wasn't even an enjoyable ride. 2016 was largely turgid, until beating Salford in the 8s. 2017 was awful from round 7 onwards. The one exception to this was Wigan at home, which was then explained by DB telling sky he promised them their bonus for avoiding MPG if they won that one game. Inevitiably, we were awful the following game against Widnes.
The last 3 or 4 years have seen;
- Scrapping a reserve team, which included 2 players that will be at Wigan next year, at least 1 that has turned us down for next year and 2 that we needed to come back to help complete the 2018 season
- Numerous over long press releases which would use 8000 words to tell us that the market stall is open and that DB is great
- Being lied to about various players absense. Penky, Barlow and Chase immediately spring to mind
- Persistent fall outs with players or unexplained absense of player. Kay, Pownall, Beswick, Brierley, Ridyard, Hampshire, Higson...
- An entire squad not playing for the coach, which led to the coach surviving and the squad being replaced
- Cooke, Purtill and Cunningham being added to coaching staff at the same time, in some strange attempt to account for said coaches inadequacies.
A lot of money has been invested in the club, but how much of that has been wasted?'"
Superb post...
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| Quote: LeythIg "It wasn't even an enjoyable ride. 2016 was largely turgid, until beating Salford in the 8s. 2017 was awful from round 7 onwards. The one exception to this was Wigan at home, which was then explained by DB telling sky he promised them their bonus for avoiding MPG if they won that one game. Inevitiably, we were awful the following game against Widnes.
The last 3 or 4 years have seen;
- Scrapping a reserve team, which included 2 players that will be at Wigan next year, at least 1 that has turned us down for next year and 2 that we needed to come back to help complete the 2018 season
- Numerous over long press releases which would use 8000 words to tell us that the market stall is open and that DB is great
- Being lied to about various players absense. Penky, Barlow and Chase immediately spring to mind
- Persistent fall outs with players or unexplained absense of player. Kay, Pownall, Beswick, Brierley, Ridyard, Hampshire, Higson...
- An entire squad not playing for the coach, which led to the coach surviving and the squad being replaced
- Cooke, Purtill and Cunningham being added to coaching staff at the same time, in some strange attempt to account for said coaches inadequacies.
A lot of money has been invested in the club, but how much of that has been wasted?'"
Cracking post!
Those were the days, eh - "over long press releases" - well, any form of press release actually!
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| Quote: LeythIg "It wasn't even an enjoyable ride. 2016 was largely turgid, until beating Salford in the 8s. 2017 was awful from round 7 onwards. The one exception to this was Wigan at home, which was then explained by DB telling sky he promised them their bonus for avoiding MPG if they won that one game. Inevitiably, we were awful the following game against Widnes.
The last 3 or 4 years have seen;
- Scrapping a reserve team, which included 2 players that will be at Wigan next year, at least 1 that has turned us down for next year and 2 that we needed to come back to help complete the 2018 season
- Numerous over long press releases which would use 8000 words to tell us that the market stall is open and that DB is great
- Being lied to about various players absense. Penky, Barlow and Chase immediately spring to mind
- Persistent fall outs with players or unexplained absense of player. Kay, Pownall, Beswick, Brierley, Ridyard, Hampshire, Higson...
- An entire squad not playing for the coach, which led to the coach surviving and the squad being replaced
- Cooke, Purtill and Cunningham being added to coaching staff at the same time, in some strange attempt to account for said coaches inadequacies.
A lot of money has been invested in the club, but how much of that has been wasted?'"
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| Quote: Alan "icon_thumb.gif
You must be a woman - surely only they are multi-skilled enough to do that!
Probably Leythe should take a leaf out of that comment..
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| 2016 was amazing considering the coach and a number of key players walked early doors. We regrouped and did what was needed during the season, then strengthened for the games that mattered, learning from the previous years failure when it mattered. We were outstanding against SL opposition, the atmosphere and passion on the terraces was brilliant - we really were in it together those games. SL recruitment was poor, Vea couldn't burst a bag of crisp, stewart wasn't the back row needed, Burr was a grafter at best and losing Tonga left a huge hole. The treatment of Riddy was poor, as was McNally - look how many games we won with him at fb. Derek should have brought in an experienced Aussie to mentor Jukes, had he done so we would be looking at season 3 in SL next year. Who will forget Wire saints and Humbles at home, who remembers the last time we beat all three in a season. It went wrong when we were robbed at Wakey, it went horribly wrong when we had a shocking attitude at home to Widnes, the rest is history but what a turnout and weekend in Perpignan, hold onto the great stuff we experienced as we build again. We are Leythers and most on here support our club through the rare thick and frequent thin, we will do so again
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| Quote: maurice "2016 was amazing considering the coach and a number of key players walked early doors. We regrouped and did what was needed during the season, then strengthened for the games that mattered, learning from the previous years failure when it mattered. We were outstanding against SL opposition, the atmosphere and passion on the terraces was brilliant - we really were in it together those games. SL recruitment was poor, Vea couldn't burst a bag of crisp, stewart wasn't the back row needed, Burr was a grafter at best and losing Tonga left a huge hole. The treatment of Riddy was poor, as was McNally - look how many games we won with him at fb. Derek should have brought in an experienced Aussie to mentor Jukes, had he done so we would be looking at season 3 in SL next year. Who will forget Wire saints and Humbles at home, who remembers the last time we beat all three in a season. It went wrong when we were robbed at Wakey, it went horribly wrong when we had a shocking attitude at home to Widnes, the rest is history but what a turnout and weekend in Perpignan, hold onto the great stuff we experienced as we build again. We are Leythers and most on here support our club through the rare thick and frequent thin, we will do so again'"
Wow just wow, you are the most deluded person ive ever come across
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| Quote: Peter Kay "Wow just wow, you are the most deluded person ive ever come across'"
Peter, I don't think Mo is deluded,I think he sees himself as Chief morale booster,rally the troops , trying to keep the fans interested in the Club,with whatever comes into his mind, and I applaud him for this. Trouble is a lot of fans won't wear these stories any more,they are at the end of their tether.
Whilst I agree with a couple of Mos points on past signed players,this Club is now in possible freefall,and all the drum banging and spin doctoring in the world won't save us, we need investors very quickly, and with DB at the helm I can't see it happining, which means DB must invest some cash,if he feels any love for the Club, as he has stated.
I do hope something is sorted out fast, but I just can't see it happening.Myself I will hold onto my cash until the time comes when I can see daylight.
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| Neil Jukes will be coach again 2019.
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| Quote: Binosh "Neil Jukes will be coach again 2019.'"
Has he lost the drsssing room at AB Sundecks?
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| Quote: Binosh "Neil Jukes will be coach again 2019.'"
That would suddenly free up my Sunday afternoons...
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| Only money going in is off rfl and no more under Derek next two seasons will be rebuilding
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| Quote: Peter Kay "Wow just wow, you are the most deluded person ive ever come across'"
Half full J, we fans have had some great years, it's gone a bit pear shaped but we will be back, buy a ticket one day and join us
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| Folk keep harping on about what the Club has achieved over the past couple of years,ie getting promoted to SL, having crowds of over 6,500,and getting victories over Wigan, Saints, Warrington,beating Hull away, all well and good, but where are we now?Virtually on our knees,it could take 5 years or longer to get back where we were then,and at a great cost.
Myself and many other fans have seen these days before,big crowds at Hilton Park, victories against Wigan , Saints and Warrington, and victories at Wembley and at Haven tomake us RL Champions, granted all these days are history in the past, but just the same as Mo eludes to now , when he waxes lyrical about the past couple of seasons, Mo it's now history , we are now in a very precarious position, other teams have the jump on us in terms of recruitment of players, season ticket sales, even pre season training which most Clubs will start in around 2 to 3 weeks time.We need to act very fast or the 2019 season will be a very long , hard and unpleasant one for the Club and the Fans.
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| Quote: JackDiggle "Has he lost the drsssing room at AB Sundecks?'"
No not at all, the canteen perhaps?
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| Quote: maurice "2016 was amazing considering the coach and a number of key players walked early doors. We regrouped and did what was needed during the season, then strengthened for the games that mattered, learning from the previous years failure when it mattered. We were outstanding against SL opposition, the atmosphere and passion on the terraces was brilliant - we really were in it together those games. SL recruitment was poor, Vea couldn't burst a bag of crisp, stewart wasn't the back row needed, Burr was a grafter at best and losing Tonga left a huge hole. The treatment of Riddy was poor, as was McNally - look how many games we won with him at fb. Derek should have brought in an experienced Aussie to mentor Jukes, had he done so we would be looking at season 3 in SL next year. Who will forget Wire saints and Humbles at home, who remembers the last time we beat all three in a season. It went wrong when we were robbed at Wakey, it went horribly wrong when we had a shocking attitude at home to Widnes, the rest is history but what a turnout and weekend in Perpignan, hold onto the great stuff we experienced as we build again. We are Leythers and most on here support our club through the rare thick and frequent thin, we will do so again'"
Agree with much of this except for McNally, great Championship FB, not SL standard, never had the defence or build to defend at SL standard though still excellent at chiming into the line. Tonga was on a Retirement Fund Holiday as he was later at Bradford just TTP !
Jukes did a fantastic job in his 1st year as a Head Coach & should rightly be remembered for that especially as Mo says given the ridiculous pre-season circumstances, however he was very much out of his depth especially when KC arrived & he became his puppet, had he had a backbone maybe he would have survived SL without KC influence. ATEOTD Jukes failed to achieve the lowest target ever to be set by a Director 'survive the MPG' is just ridiculous. An experienced Aussie Coach would have needed to take charge while mentoring Jukes if DB had wanted to protect his friend, so in all but name would have been the New Head Coach !
Those seasons explosive, skilful RL we saw in the run up to SL & even SL itself in parts are to be rightfully remembered as some of the best seen at Leigh & I include Paul Rowley's tenure in that too. In context it was an important period in the Club's history but as Charlie pointed out, due to rank bad management decisions it has now cost Leigh R.L.F.C very dearly.
There was enough quality in the squad assembled for 2018 to be promoted back to SL at 1st attempt, however IMHO the damage was done by the KC/Jukes combination & maybe ( I don't know ) by meddling from D.B himself.
Personally I find my position & views on the whats/why's/where for to be somewhere between those of Mozza Maurice & Charlie Caroli , a kind of half way house if you will.
As time goes by supporters become more & more edgy & nervous souls & so do I. For me, if DB stays & only uses RFL funding then Leigh will be in Championship 1 before too long & possibly we could be consigned to C1 long before the season starts if the house is not in order.
I would still love to know *though never will* why the previously very interested Ainscough isn't back in for the Club, what changed his perception or interest ?
Anyway, normally a Season Ticket holder, I will keep my cash money in my pocket until it is confirmed beyond doubt that there will be no admin/liquidation.
#COYL
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