Makes me laugh all this talk about plan b ect when the simple facts are its our defence thats been shocking for the last 2 to 3 months,we've been letting in 30 points plus nearly every game but scoring plenty so for me it all boils down our terrible defence

I think thats the point many are making, the high risk low % play gives too much possession in our half to our opposition, while in the Championship we can cope, against better teams you get punished, just being better defensively wont work

our fringe defence has been woeful for quite a while and that includes when we've had a high percentage completion rate and when how many times have we stop teams getting a roll on,another thing is our silly penaltys im sorry thats cost us more field position than any dropped ball

Problem is we didn't really have a plan b as the pack couldn't give us a foundation apart from hock and moi moi we look so lightweight and couldn't punch a hole in a paper bag!

But its in your DNA init
Well this thread proves to me that very few that side of the hill that watch the game have actually played a game, I already knew you were non drinkers as your embarrassing no show in the headingley pubs last years proved, but plan a and plan b do me a favour. All coaches have a game plan but no coach in the world has a plan b, they see how things are going in a game and tweak tacticts to suit you cant have a set plan b because until you see how the games unfolding youv no idea what wants tweaking you must study the game with an open mind and make necessary adjustments. When Rowley came out with the stupid we cant play any diff its in our dna, I said then well thaz not going up old lad. Throw the ball about in your own half 1st tackle against championship teams that your beating easy and annoyingly show boating at the same time is fine, it didn't work against the super league teams. But its in ur dna init

With the notable exception of last year we have had a dire record in play off football since we came down from Super League. You would have thought that lessons would have been learned from that by now!

And the play-offs didn't really 'count' last year, as the prize money was awarded on league positions, Brian!

I think it's all going wrong at the " SECOND STANZA".

Plan B doesn't have to be a radical change. I am not talking about PR saying "OK STOP! Let's go to Plan B now!!"

I am talking about something along the lines of what Alan is saying. The way Leigh play at the moment is all fine and dandy when the players are confident and all the moves are coming off, but when the moves fail, amd we're dishing up easy possession in our own 20, we're putting ourselves under ridiculous pressure. And any defence in RL will crack when put in that situation too often.

Put it this way, the way we've played this season has obliterated the Championship and caught out some SL sides in the cup. But when we've been up against better opponents and our expansive style hasn't come off, we've been found wanting, battered and the confidence has drained away.

WE NEED AN ALTERNATIVE for when we need to dig deep.


(And to all you muppets that criticise Plan A and B or whatever - f*ck you!

This forum is getting on my tits these days. It's like being back at school.)

Players just need to show more composure. You can get away with slack play and dodgy offloads more easily in the championship but try it agaist SL opposition and you can get stuffed. We certainly found that out.

Playing expansive is fine once you've "earnt the right" and Leigh did in most championship games. Against better quality tesms you have to put them under pressure and throwing hail mary passes won't do that.

We can blame plan a or not having a plan b but at the end of the day these players are full time professionals who should be able to know when its the time button down the hatches and grind a win out,does anyone really think Kevin Singfield gets told when to close a game down or kick the ball in touch to give his players a breather no he does it off his own back because its called game management and I think the players have to take the blame when we're winning with 10 points with 2 mins of the half left and they try a stupid pass instead of 5 drives and a kick

I'm not so sure that this is about being 'found out' by super league teams, as has been suggested elsewhere. The warning signs were there several games before the end of the regular season; we weren't playing particularly well. Key players lost form and the Warrington game, in particular, was something I don't think we recovered from. I'm not sure why. The pressure was building on the club as the hype intensified. This happens in football all the time when good cup runs are followed by poor performances. When the wheel comes off, everyone panics. The lack of confidence at the recent Halifax game was felt by everyone, I'm sure.

I didn't realise only your opinion counted. Did you know that abuse is a sign of a lost argument?

Well with beswick and barlow leaving, there are two plan b options that weren't really utilised in the qualifiers.