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Quote: The Watcher "Depressingly the number of people who voted for BNP in Leigh South 2008 was 470.'"


which areas of Leigh are "south"?

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Quote: The Watcher "I am sorry to inform you that some people do want the BNP in our town,in the 2008 local elections the BNP got 14.2% of the vote in Leigh South.You cannot speak for everyone.'"



I think I can safely say that we don't want them in our town - 14.2%? That's nowt.

I bet I could round up 14.2% to vote for Darren Abrams as coach of the decade! icon_eek.gif

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Quote: mishmash "I think I can safely say that we don't want them in our town - 14.2%? That's nowt.

I bet I could round up 14.2% to vote for Darren Abrams as coach of the decade!
I'd vote for him. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "I'd vote for him.
You're excluded from voting on the grounds that you're as mad as the maddest madman in Madland!! icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wbk666 "which areas of Leigh are "south"?'"

Do you need a compass... icon_confused.gif: icon_confused.gif:

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..... and I'll be standing in the Hilton Park stand, yes that's right I've named the North Stand myself:



If you live where my mum and dad live (Edale Road off Manchester Road near Butts Bridge) it's classed as Worsley icon_eek.gif

I told them when I lived at my mum and dads that I wouldn't vote until they changed the boundaries.

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Quote: mishmash "You're excluded from voting on the grounds that you're as mad as the maddest madman in Madland!!
I'll assume you're excluding BNP voters on the same grounds?

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Ok, im going to have a little rant over immigration, not because im racist, but because this country just cannot support the people we currently have living here.

A couple of months ago, I was going to the Miners on a Sunday to watch football and meet some of the lads. I was walking past the skips and came across a couple of 'immigrants' with their children in the skips looking for things(obviously after the car boot that morning). Are these people doing us a favour by recycling or is their a deeper issue of if these people can't afford to live in this country then what are they doing here.
Secondly, driving through Leigh at the moment and you cant fail to notice all these 'immigrants' walking around, durng normal working hours (I work continentals before anyone asks) with shopping bags and occasionaly letting their children urinate in the streets. If these people haven't got jobs then what are they doing here?

Thirdly. I have a ongoing knee problem which is causing so much pain that I have already taken time off work. Ive been to see my GP, a consultant, had X-rays, MRI scans(which were sent to S. Africa to be assessed btw) seen the consultant agin and then referred to the specialist knee unit at Wrightington. My last appointment with my consultant was at the beginning of Feb. I phoned last week to see if I had an appointment with the surgeon and was told that theyare fully booked for the next 6 weeks and have had no referral yet anyway!!! This has now been ongoing since the beginning of December. My question is this: Can we support more migrants when our services, that I and many of you on here pay for with extortionate amount of taxes, are so heavily stretched as we speak? The answer is most certainly NO. We need to start sorting out our own problems before we look at everybody elses. We are no longer the imperial heavy weights of centuries gone by. This country is skint. Don't make it worse by inviting more people over here. Gordon Brown needs to go. Cameron will be no better. That is why people are now starting to listen to other political parties.

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Quote: Asda carpark "Ok, im going to have a little rant over immigration, not because im racist, but because this country just cannot support the people we currently have living here.

A couple of months ago, I was going to the Miners on a Sunday to watch football and meet some of the lads. I was walking past the skips and came across a couple of 'immigrants' with their children in the skips looking for things(obviously after the car boot that morning). Are these people doing us a favour by recycling or is their a deeper issue of if these people can't afford to live in this country then what are they doing here.
Secondly, driving through Leigh at the moment and you cant fail to notice all these 'immigrants' walking around, durng normal working hours (I work continentals before anyone asks) with shopping bags and occasionaly letting their children urinate in the streets. If these people haven't got jobs then what are they doing here?

Thirdly. I have a ongoing knee problem which is causing so much pain that I have already taken time off work. Ive been to see my GP, a consultant, had X-rays, MRI scans(which were sent to S. Africa to be assessed btw) seen the consultant agin and then referred to the specialist knee unit at Wrightington. My last appointment with my consultant was at the beginning of Feb. I phoned last week to see if I had an appointment with the surgeon and was told that theyare fully booked for the next 6 weeks and have had no referral yet anyway!!! This has now been ongoing since the beginning of December. My question is this[sizeCan we support more migrants when our services, that I and many of you on here pay for with extortionate amount of taxes, are so heavily stretched as we speak? The answer is most certainly NO. We need to start sorting out our own problems before we look at everybody elses. We are no longer the imperial heavy weights of centuries gone by. This country is skint. Don't make it worse by inviting more people over here. Gordon Brown needs to go. Cameron will be no better. That is why people are now starting to listen to other political parties.[/size'"


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Reality is here.

I rest my case M'Lord

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Quote: Asda carpark "Ok, im going to have a little rant over immigration, not because im racist, but because this country just cannot support the people we currently have living here.

A couple of months ago, I was going to the Miners on a Sunday to watch football and meet some of the lads. I was walking past the skips and came across a couple of 'immigrants' with their children in the skips looking for things(obviously after the car boot that morning). Are these people doing us a favour by recycling or is their a deeper issue of if these people can't afford to live in this country then what are they doing here.
Secondly, driving through Leigh at the moment and you cant fail to notice all these 'immigrants' walking around, durng normal working hours (I work continentals before anyone asks) with shopping bags and occasionaly letting their children urinate in the streets. If these people haven't got jobs then what are they doing here?

Thirdly. I have a ongoing knee problem which is causing so much pain that I have already taken time off work. Ive been to see my GP, a consultant, had X-rays, MRI scans(which were sent to S. Africa to be assessed btw) seen the consultant agin and then referred to the specialist knee unit at Wrightington. My last appointment with my consultant was at the beginning of Feb. I phoned last week to see if I had an appointment with the surgeon and was told that theyare fully booked for the next 6 weeks and have had no referral yet anyway!!! This has now been ongoing since the beginning of December. My question is this. That is why people are now starting to listen to other political parties.[/quote]


I say give the LIB DEms a chance.

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Quote: The Kevster! "If you live where my mum and dad live (Edale Road off Manchester Road near Butts Bridge) it's classed as Worsley
in leigh though pal

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One last piece. I don't know who to vote for. No-one seems to address the problems this country seems to face. One thing I wouldnt do though is call anyone stupid or racist for voting BNP. I'd call them peed off!!!!!

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Quote: Asda carpark "Can we support more migrants when our services, that I and many of you on here pay for with extortionate amount of taxes, are so heavily stretched as we speak? The answer is most certainly NO.We need to start sorting out our own problems before we look at everybody elses. We are no longer the imperial heavy weights of centuries gone by. This country is skint. Don't make it worse by inviting more people over here. Gordon Brown needs to go. Cameron will be no better. That is why people are now starting to listen to other political parties.'"


A quick surf of the net reveals that estimates of the financial cost of immigration to each family is betwen £50 - £350 depending on whose figures you choose to use.

To put it in perspective the Bank bailouts have currently cost each family around £20,000 and is probably set to rise still further.

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Quote: Asda carpark "One last piece. I don't know who to vote for. No-one seems to address the problems this country seems to face. One thing I wouldnt do though is call anyone stupid or racist for voting BNP. I'd call them peed off!!!!!'"


The BNP is a racist party - it's well documented!! It is indeed a bedrock of their manifesto, which - over recent years - they have removed from their own website. They did this so they can maintain a veneer of credibility and respectability. They then 'spin' the message by pushing 'the rights of British people being undermined by outsiders'. They then use the word 'immigrant' as a catch-all term....and people who have not thought it through properly start to do the same. So before you know it people start telling tales about "All these immigrants....coming over here....contributing nothing....getting everything for free.....stealing jobs from locals, etc...", and before you know it usually rational, tolerant people are buying into the idea that the BNP are the only party that are 'listening to our concerns and coming up with solutions' Once people are into this mindset then the BNP are winning - and once they have a foot-hold, who knows where it will lead?? Extremist - usually xenophobic - views tend to carry more credence during times of extreme economic uncertainty - its what lead to the rise of facism in the 1920/30's......and we all know where that lead!!

While I have every sympathy for someone in the construction industry who has found themselves out of work - and hearing that thousands of Eastern European economic migrants have been employed in their place, but unfortunately this is not the fault of the people who taken these jobs. Blame the global capitalist system that deems 'cheapest' as best choice!!
Those who moan about 'these immigrants' who work for less than minimum wage - pushing the indigenous population out of work, etc.....
The minimum wage was brought in to protect the vulnerable, and low -paid. If people are not getting it - then blame the bosses for this illegal practice, and report them.
To say that everytime you go into the town-centre - during the day - it is full of 'immigrants', and somehow use this to prove that none of them work - so must all be on benefits, is a ridiculous argument. Why can these people not be shift workers? 'Letting their kids urinate in the street' - I've got news for you, I've seen plenty of 'locally born' women encourage their kids to do the same!!

Getting back to your original point:

The BNP are a racist party - FACT.
If you vote for this racist party it is for one of two reasons - you are racist, or you are ignorant of the fact that the BNP are a racist party. If this was the case - as it is well documented - you'd have to be pretty stupid to claim that you did not know.
And it is no use to say "well I'm not racist, but i voted BNP because I agree with their policy on XYZ - but I don't agree with all their policies" - if you vote for them, and they get in, you have voted in the full package, not just the bits you agree with!!
Ergo - two types of people vote BNP:
Racists
The stupid, and ignorant.

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Quote: Walt Mooney Fan Club "The BNP is a racist party - it's well documented!! It is indeed a bedrock of their manifesto, which - over recent years - they have removed from their own website. They did this so they can maintain a veneer of credibility and respectability. They then 'spin' the message by pushing 'the rights of British people being undermined by outsiders'. They then use the word 'immigrant' as a catch-all term....and people who have not thought it through properly start to do the same. So before you know it people start telling tales about "All these immigrants....coming over here....contributing nothing....getting everything for free.....stealing jobs from locals, etc...", and before you know it usually rational, tolerant people are buying into the idea that the BNP are the only party that are 'listening to our concerns and coming up with solutions' Once people are into this mindset then the BNP are winning - and once they have a foot-hold, who knows where it will lead?? Extremist - usually xenophobic - views tend to carry more credence during times of extreme economic uncertainty - its what lead to the rise of facism in the 1920/30's......and we all know where that lead!!

While I have every sympathy for someone in the construction industry who has found themselves out of work - and hearing that thousands of Eastern European economic migrants have been employed in their place, but unfortunately this is not the fault of the people who taken these jobs. Blame the global capitalist system that deems 'cheapest' as best choice!!
Those who moan about 'these immigrants' who work for less than minimum wage - pushing the indigenous population out of work, etc.....
The minimum wage was brought in to protect the vulnerable, and low -paid. If people are not getting it - then blame the bosses for this illegal practice, and report them.
To say that everytime you go into the town-centre - during the day - it is full of 'immigrants', and somehow use this to prove that none of them work - so must all be on benefits, is a ridiculous argument. Why can these people not be shift workers? 'Letting their kids urinate in the street' - I've got news for you, I've seen plenty of 'locally born' women encourage their kids to do the same!!

Getting back to your original point

Where did I point out that was the 'immigrants' fault that they are here?
If there are so many people out of work, searching for work and sometimes 1000 people applying for one job(and are overqualified) why do we need more workers in this country. A member of my family has already downgraded the jobs he will go for. And before the months out will probably do it again. My younger sister has already been told not to bother searching for jobs in her chosen profession when she qualifies because there are people of 35 years of experience who can't get a job.Is bringing in more migrants going to solve this? I dont think the answer is more than a 2 letter word. Will my waiting time to see a specialist go down if more migrants turn up?? Where you the one saying that a capitalist government is wrong when everything was going right? Everyone with a set of eyeballs knows what is wrong. Bringing in 15 low paid workers from oversees to do what 10/15 friends of mine would do is not the answer.

Racism

1.Is it racist to say that immigrants should not be allowed to caome to my country?

No it is common sense. Hospitals, housing, schools, roads etc. are all at breaking point because of the size of our countryand the woeful neglect of not just this Government but since the late 70's early eighties. Will having a load of immigrants solve this problem? Nope
Is it racist to put up a Union Flag on my property?


No.No.No.
Is it racist to express outrage at a returning regiment from Iraq or Afghanistan?

No.No.No.
But according to our law it is inciting racial hatred. Where I to go into a predominantly muslim area and wear placards stating that Islam was against the human rights of women I know I wouldnt be a free person for long.


My last point is this.

Voting the BNP is not racist or stupid. If you put it like that then :To vote for Labour would mean that you support going to Iraq and cleaning up for them whilst turning a blind eye to Zimbabwe. To supporting the rebuilding of Afghanistan whilst not helping African Countries. To vote Tory would mean that you agreed with the first Iraq war. You do not vote for someone or something because you agree with every policy they have. You vote for them because you believe they have the best policies for you, your family and your country. I have voted Labour. That is it. No-one else ever. I don't agree with Gordon Browns policies on taxes. But I agree with going into Afghanistan. Its about the best possible choice and finally I now realise that the main 2 (and I will be looking at Lib Dems more closely now) are wrong. Maybe I will vote for BNP. Probably not. Doesn't mean i'm racist or stupid.

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 TODAY
     National Rugby League 2024-R29
10:50
Cronulla
v
NQL Cowboys
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
 TOMORROW
     National Rugby League 2024-R29
10:50
Sydney
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
15:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
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Bradford
15:00
Swinton
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Doncaster
       League One 2024-R24
15:00
Hunslet
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Midlands
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
 Sat 28th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
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Fri 20th Sep
SL
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Hull KR-Leeds
SL
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Leigh-St.Helens
SL
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Warrington-LondonB
Sat 21st Sep
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Hull FC-Catalans
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Thu 19th Sep
SL 27 Huddersfield34-10Castleford
SL 27 Wigan64-0Salford
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
WSL2024 14 Hudds W36-0Wire W
CH 26 Barrow34-14Whitehaven
CH 26 Bradford16-14Batley
CH 26 Dewsbury16-28Swinton
CH 26 Doncaster30-14Widnes
CH 26 Featherstone6-20Sheffield
CH 26 Wakefield20-4York
NRL 28 Canterbury22-24Manly
L1 23 Midlands24-22Workington
L1 23 Rochdale30-18Hunslet
Sat 14th Sep
SL 26 Hull FC4-58Salford
SL 26 Catalans12-8LondonB
SL 26 Huddersfield0-66Warrington
CH 26 Toulouse38-18Halifax
NRL 28 Melbourne37-10Cronulla
NRL 28 NQL Cowboys28-16Newcastle
Fri 13th Sep
SL 26 Leigh0-24Hull KR
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Hull KR 26 693 311 382 40
Warrington 26 684 319 365 38
Salford 27 550 547 3 32
St.Helens 26 584 370 214 30
Leigh 26 548 386 162 29
 
Leeds 26 514 462 52 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
York 25 613 439 174 26
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
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