In a word yes.

Ownership is a problem for me though in fairness if you look on companies house records for SCL and see all the different share holders who effectivley own the club yet are no longer Involved it puts people/ buisnesses off getting involved and committing funds in my opinion.

One thing is certain, a defeatist attitude will lead to defeat. A positive attitude may still lead to defeat but there is at least a possibility that it won't!

A history of failure does not guarantee future failure any more than a history of success guarantees future success.

Control what you can control, don't obsess about things you cannot.

Instead of finding 50 ways why something won't work, put your effort into finding just one way it will work.

............. and people who are negative and don't think it will work should stay well away.

Burying your head in the sand isnt the way to succeed either, only by being aware of potential problems will you have the answers to hand, if the odd realistic ( you might say negative ) post is enough to undermind or discourage a project like this, then it wasnt likely to succeed anyway

Starbug, I'd wager that a good percentage of your 31,395 posts have been of the "realistic" variety! I'm all for realism. For what it's worth, I am not a fan of the BeLeighve campaign itself - not that the slogan is wrong but the goal is wrong. We are defining ourselves by trying to reach a competition which we have little chance of reaching - what we want is for people to believe in what Leigh actually is - something that the town can be proud to support as they have done for the last century and more. Ultimately, the RFL cannot take that away from us.


But, back to realism, to use baseball parlance, I'd rather be struck out swinging than struck out watching. It's very easy to pass comment on every suggestion that is made or put into practice and wheel out advice here and there, some of which would probably read as quite contradictory if anyone had the patience to sit down and do a forensic analysis of it. LISA is a perfect example of what can be done over a lasting period of time, with lots of hard work of course, there is no substitute for that.

My own personal view is that the strategy has to be to gradually increase the touch points between the club and the people of Leigh and the surrounding areas so that it remains in the forefront of the individuals and collective mind. There has to be a much higher profile of the personalities and activities connected with the club, largely online on the website through social media. If Wayne Rooney has two bowel movements in one day it probably appears on MUTV.
Yet I know next to nothing about current Leigh RL. You don't need a multi-million dollar marketing campaign, you need to do the little things right, and lots of them.

People should not confuse an honest opinion on something and a wish for something not to work/happen, but it seems anybody playing devils advocate is trying to damage the club

This again seems to be fans looking for the ' silver bullet ' that will transform the clubs future, it wont, once again the ownership is not the clubs problem , in fact it would probably set the club back even further

Are Leigh Centurions a business or a charity?

Its time to start operating like a business and less like a charity, and asking the existing fans for more money is what charities do

If anybody has reservations about the ownership that prevent them from potentially helping the club become a better business, then just contact the current shareholders and speak to them , I promise you they will not bite

Some will suggest that the club are unable to stand alone as a business and will always need unearned donation, I find that incredibly negative, but far too many want somebody else to pay for their entertainment

I firmly believe the club is capable of operating as a true business and will be more successful as a result

So who is the negative, and who is the positive around here?

I don't really know what the answer is .
however if every fan was a member of Lisa or the touchdown club ie 1500 x example £5 month that's £90000 some pay more then £5 so realistically it would be more like £130000 on top of what we earn through gate receipts , sponsorship etc, enough to have a self substainable club, LISA has proven it's self over the years, why fix something that isn't broke, just improve it , that's my opinion for what it's worth!

The club gave us the promised 1 share per £20000 put in , eventually the fans will own the club. Easy

The simple answer to that linda is you run it dont you? get on with it then.

Ste you make total sense when you leave your VT head on the VT,there nothing wrong with constructive critisism or pointing out were any new club is going to go wrong.Keep pointing these things out mate.just no negative for the sake of it as some are doing.

What was LISA's remit when it was set up?,
and is it still the same or has it changed in the last 18months?

Steve it is prudent to have cash just in case and to kick start strategies
Dick are you saying LISA never got the share promised? Also if everything worked we wouldn't have the same recurring cash crisis

Shareholders do not get to vote on Board decisions at all.

The key thing on which a shareholder votes is the election of the Board of Directors.

Other than that there are certain things (such as allotting new shares, changing auditors etc) which technically need a shareholder vote but for practical purposes the Board is given headroom to get on with these things without constantly reverting to shareholders.

If the shareholders disagree with the Board's strategy then they have the opportunity to vote them out at a General meeting (and there are very specific rules around how one can be called).

So in effect it is just like Vodafone, BP or Standard Chartered where thousands of shareholders approve the nomination of Board members and then let them get on with it!

By the way the offer to LISA of 1 share for every £20k donated would require over 3/4 of a million pounds (£750,000) to be put up before the fans would have "control" of the company!!!!!