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Grade D - 3 match ban for Vaughan.
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I have lived and worked with the Wire folk for over 20 years, and mostly live in a Rugby League harmony. This week is very different, and accusations of cheating and robbing the Wolves of the title have come from both neighbours and colleagues. Most of stuff being spouted was from Sam Burgess and David Cain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNCHP08FEFg
In case you have not been on Facebook and other social media, the argument follows that:
1. Paul Vaughan is an angel
2. Owen Trout milked the foul by running into Vaughan's shoulder (multiple sources)
3. All the Leigh players told Trout to stay down so that the incident could be reviewed (SL Raw)
4. The Ref - Liam Moore and the video ref Ben Thaler are in a cabal to scupper Warrington's chances of winning the Grand Final
5. Warrington players do not milk penalties by staying down or badgering the officials at every tackle, and in fact it was Leigh who was using these tactics
6. Owen Trout was not injured and the HIA was dramatic effect
7. Josh Thewlis who stayed down on two occasions was seriously injured, even though no penalties resulted from the reviews, and after taking on fluids jogged back to the wing
8. Obviously the Match Review Panel are as bent as the match day officials and have awarded Vaughan a breather for the rest of the season. Grade D - 3 Matches.
Sam Burgess and his comments after the match are on a par with Wellens after the Challenge Cup Semi-final. Owen Trout has done nothing wrong and neither did John Asiata, who received vile abuse aimed at himself and his family. Burgess in my opinion has brought the game into disrepute and needs to be fined and educated about how his words and actions can incite behaviour in others. |
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I have lived and worked with the Wire folk for over 20 years, and mostly live in a Rugby League harmony. This week is very different, and accusations of cheating and robbing the Wolves of the title have come from both neighbours and colleagues. Most of stuff being spouted was from Sam Burgess and David Cain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNCHP08FEFg
In case you have not been on Facebook and other social media, the argument follows that:
1. Paul Vaughan is an angel
2. Owen Trout milked the foul by running into Vaughan's shoulder (multiple sources)
3. All the Leigh players told Trout to stay down so that the incident could be reviewed (SL Raw)
4. The Ref - Liam Moore and the video ref Ben Thaler are in a cabal to scupper Warrington's chances of winning the Grand Final
5. Warrington players do not milk penalties by staying down or badgering the officials at every tackle, and in fact it was Leigh who was using these tactics
6. Owen Trout was not injured and the HIA was dramatic effect
7. Josh Thewlis who stayed down on two occasions was seriously injured, even though no penalties resulted from the reviews, and after taking on fluids jogged back to the wing
8. Obviously the Match Review Panel are as bent as the match day officials and have awarded Vaughan a breather for the rest of the season. Grade D - 3 Matches.
Sam Burgess and his comments after the match are on a par with Wellens after the Challenge Cup Semi-final. Owen Trout has done nothing wrong and neither did John Asiata, who received vile abuse aimed at himself and his family. Burgess in my opinion has brought the game into disrepute and needs to be fined and educated about how his words and actions can incite behaviour in others. | |
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| Quote: Septimius Severus "I have lived and worked with the Wire folk for over 20 years, and mostly live in a Rugby League harmony. This week is very different, and accusations of cheating and robbing the Wolves of the title have come from both neighbours and colleagues. Most of stuff being spouted was from Sam Burgess and David Cain
i think we all know that some clubs have been guilty of a much more serious and sustained form of cheating than we are talking about here.
In some clubs the value and status of a number of players signed in reality bears no resemblence to the values shown on the P60s at season end.
Plenty evidence come out over the years.This applies to more than one club of course but certain ones would fall into lthe serial offenders column.
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| Quote: Septimius Severus "I have lived and worked with the Wire folk for over 20 years, and mostly live in a Rugby League harmony. This week is very different, and accusations of cheating and robbing the Wolves of the title have come from both neighbours and colleagues. Most of stuff being spouted was from Sam Burgess and David Cain
The SL Raw podcast is usually very balanced, but they are way out on this one. Not sure how any of the below can be denied;
1) Vaughan hits Trout in the head with his shoulder
2) While Trout may drop slightly. It's not sudden nor unexpected (given it is caused by another tackle), while Vaughan does nothing to adjust his tackle height.
3) The fact that it is Vaughan's shoulder means that it is automatically deemed forceful
4) Nobody within the TV shot says a word to Trout, instead, they're lining up for the next play the ball. If anybody has told him to stay down, then it is from 20 yards away.
I just find it incredible that in a situation where a tackler leads with the shoulder into a ball carriers head, and it is missed by every on field official. It is the ball carrier that is put under the most scrutiny.
It's a blatant red card. Not even a "games gone" red card either.
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It just goes to show that sporting disappointment can cloud both sound judgment and logic. Thereafter its just the herd response to a perceived injustice.
Some fans from other clubs just need to calm down and take their blinkers off.
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Another thing Burgess said, that has been repeated on various podcasts is that they scored 12 points to our 10 after the red card. Winds the pedant in me up, as it was only 4-0 when the red was given.
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The present rules for head-on tackling mean that contact must ONLY be below the shoulder and above the knee. Why stand upright when effecting a tackle unless you're asking for a card?
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| Quote: Bent&Bongser "The present rules for head-on tackling mean that contact must ONLY be below the shoulder and above the knee. Why stand upright when effecting a tackle unless you're asking for a card?'"
The answer is to tackle in one of 3 ways:
1. Wrap the arms and drop back with the ball carrier
2. Wrap the thighs together and Walmsley will go down like a tree
3. Aim for the stomach and go up through the ribs from a crouching position
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I said on a facebook post the moment I saw this tackle that it was a straight red because,
1. Direct and forceful contact to the head with the left shoulder.
2. The head is first point of contact, no deflection from the ball or any other source.
3. Trout is a tall guy and has not lost significant height or is in the process of significantly losing height in the tackle,
4. Vaughn is stood almost upright and promoting his left shoulder into contact with the head, and the left arm is not in the process of wrapping as he makes contact.
5. Trout’s head clearly jolts forcefully backwards as contact is made.
6. Vaughn follows up with a forearm to the head/face once Trouts head is against the ground, compounding the potential for injury after the initial forceful head contact.
7. Trout is clearly stunned as the trainer talks to him. The fact that he cleared concussion protocol tests subsequently means he was fit to return to the field of play later, not fit to stay on the field at the time.
Burgess should be hauled up and made an example of. What he said not only called in to question the honesty and integrity of Trout and all the Leigh players, it also showed a total lack of respect to the referee, video referee, and the RFL. At a time when spectators are being constantly reminded ( and rightfully so) of the need for respect to referees and all persons at rugby grounds, how can he go on sky and be allowed to say what he did without sanction.
And then they have the cheek to go to the appeal and plead guilty and ask for a reduced sentence !!!
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The talk about players staying down is frustrating as well. Basically saying a foul has been committed but should've got away with it.
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| Quote: Vancouver Leyther "I said on a facebook post the moment I saw this tackle that it was a straight red because,
1. Direct and forceful contact to the head with the left shoulder.
2. The head is first point of contact, no deflection from the ball or any other source.
3. Trout is a tall guy and has not lost significant height or is in the process of significantly losing height in the tackle,
4. Vaughn is stood almost upright and promoting his left shoulder into contact with the head, and the left arm is not in the process of wrapping as he makes contact.
5. Trout’s head clearly jolts forcefully backwards as contact is made.
6. Vaughn follows up with a forearm to the head/face once Trouts head is against the ground, compounding the potential for injury after the initial forceful head contact.
7. Trout is clearly stunned as the trainer talks to him. The fact that he cleared concussion protocol tests subsequently means he was fit to return to the field of play later, not fit to stay on the field at the time.
Burgess should be hauled up and made an example of. What he said not only called in to question the honesty and integrity of Trout and all the Leigh players, it also showed a total lack of respect to the referee, video referee, and the RFL. At a time when spectators are being constantly reminded ( and rightfully so) of the need for respect to referees and all persons at rugby grounds, how can he go on sky and be allowed to say what he did without sanction.
And then they have the cheek to go to the appeal and plead guilty and ask for a reduced sentence !!!'"
They had a warning when Harrison was sent off against Saints, also for failing to bend into the tackle. Burgess for some reason thought that would be a yellow as well. Maybe if more people read the rules... |
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| Quote: Septimius Severus "I have lived and worked with the Wire folk for over 20 years, and mostly live in a Rugby League harmony. This week is very different, and accusations of cheating and robbing the Wolves of the title have come from both neighbours and colleagues. Most of stuff being spouted was from Sam Burgess and David Cain
I see Drinkwater is getting stick for "acting" now.
I await castigation of him from Sam & Dave
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