Reffy, I know you love a discussion/telling people they are wrong. So an ex player, who also has links with quite a few 'other clubs', talks a load of 'bollox' about our current plight. I saw the article yesterday, and found it embarrassing....to be fair, the Manchester Evening News are stupid for publishing it. Other folk 'drifted off topic' Sir, I can only apologize for doing likewise....

No need to apologise but thank you, I shall return the compliment when the occasion arises.

Thanking You Reffy...

Well I am surprised.

A former Leigh player' who is not a club spokesman' is asked by the M E N for his opinion on what he thinks of the current promotion and relegation rules and some don't like it.

How dare AJM say what he thinks.

Bit daft to start inventing conspiracy theories. I still think the Super 8s are the way to go. Franchising was a total disaster all round but was brought in because straight promotion and relegation didn't work either; the relegated SL team beat everyone & went straight back up, in order to beat them or to stay up in SL if another team would have to spend a fortune, gamble on staying up (not likely) and face financial turmoil if they failed. Saying that though I do think it needs some tweaks. The transfer deadline was a farce, that needs to be pushed back at least a month and a one year minimum contract length enforced. Also while you can't carry all your points through to The Qualifiers I do think you should carry some though, that'd punish teams like Wakefield who openly said they weren't bothered about their 23 Super League Games while rewarding teams like Leigh who've become as good as they can be in The Championship. I think we'll come back stronger next year but we can't keep up this level getting nowhere forever (look at what happened to Featherstone); if that does happen it'll be wasted potential & lower SL clubs will know they've nothing to fear & go back to the attitude during franchising where ambition was punished. Do think as well Super League clubs shouldn't be making any decisions on how the sport is run, how often do you hear "Super League Clubs voted to..." when that now affects all the other clubs, why are we letting 12 clubs (with a notoriously bad track record (franchising, Dual Code, Scrapping reserves)) run the sport for all 38 clubs?!

Something I listened to a few weeks back taken from the Saints board.

rlHererl

Would agree with taking some points over, or even points based on league position would stop teams like wakefeild throwing off the season and also would have stopped bradford from coasting when they knew they where in 2nd and giving games away, made it alot more interesting, but on the other hand would handicap Sheffield/fax as they would have been even further back

Every team in every division of every sport can identify matches they feel they should have won. Just listen to after match comments by coaches/managers. I can see your frustration at losing to KR when you were so far ahead at half-time and losing to Wakey by only 1 point but you were stuffed by Fax. You lost all three matches because you were not good enough to win any of them. As you say "Just get on with it."

"Cringe worthy", that's the phrase I was looking for. Thanks Andy.

Love the new system, just needs a transfer window too stop the late panic buys

the new system is great. just needs tweaking as said.

its embarrasing all these conspiracy theories, i cant believe people tbelieve them.

and what is more embarrassing is the clubs official twitter account (which has over 10,000 followers) has "retweeted" this article to its followers. which suggests they agree with it.

surely the club should not be broadcasting these views.

The only fault that I can see with piece is that he refers to a "hidden" agenda - when there is no mistaking the openness of the agenda of SL clubs to maintain the status quo. The more high profile sports of football and rugby union don't force champion second tier clubs to jump through so many hoops to get their shot at the big time!