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| I think you're all missing the point here; there will be a 'community' aspect at the club, and one run which will be run by professionals, it just won't be the 'Community Trust' who are running it (and the apprentices are not volunteers, they are exactly that....apprentices).
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| ST -The model we should have turned to all those years ago?
The question will be simple. Can we operate on the same cost base next season and will we get the same co-operation from LSV co ?
Assuming our cost base increases, eg reserves etc, and the LSV revert to previous form then we have a gap that needs to be filled. The incumbants have stated they will not fill it, so we need to look at how we do that now not later.
A business/supporters Trust partnership is the way forward imho, we create an huge amount of shares and make them available, absorbing existing shareholdings and any directors loans. Lisa/Trust money goes to the club via shares, as would TC and any other investment from a business or individual - Toady may be able to fill in legals here.
The articles of the trust may cover the possibility of a sugar daddy but to me its simple an investment in shares that allows him to control the club, from which any further investment would be via more shares not Director Loans, if he loses interest then he contributes no more and his share is gradually diluted.
I'll leave the community stuff to Mish and Bugsy, but having young kids doing it raises a few questions, I would prefer it to employ FT players like Sheffield do.
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Quote: mishmash "I think you're all missing the point here; there will be a 'community' aspect at the club, and one run which will be run by professionals, it just won't be the 'Community Trust' who are running it (and the apprentices are not volunteers, they are exactly that....apprentices).'"
I hope ' Active Synergy ' are not similar to this organisation
www.centraltraininggroup.org/cou ... ourses.php
I fully understand how this will help the lads , who it would seem are all unemployed and not in FT education , as primarily , that is what Active synergy do , they get government funding for every young person they remove from the unemployment figures , some would say it is just a way of reducing those figures without actually providing ' real ' jobs
I assume it is Active Synergy who are the proffessionals in this arrangement ?
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Quote: mishmash "I think you're all missing the point here; there will be a 'community' aspect at the club, and one run which will be run by professionals, it just won't be the 'Community Trust' who are running it (and the apprentices are not volunteers, they are exactly that....apprentices).'"
I hope ' Active Synergy ' are not similar to this organisation
www.centraltraininggroup.org/cou ... ourses.php
I fully understand how this will help the lads , who it would seem are all unemployed and not in FT education , as primarily , that is what Active synergy do , they get government funding for every young person they remove from the unemployment figures , some would say it is just a way of reducing those figures without actually providing ' real ' jobs
I assume it is Active Synergy who are the proffessionals in this arrangement ?
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| Quote: maurice "ST -The model we should have turned to all those years ago?
The question will be simple. Can we operate on the same cost base next season and will we get the same co-operation from LSV co ?
Assuming our cost base increases, eg reserves etc, and the LSV revert to previous form then we have a gap that needs to be filled. The incumbants have stated they will not fill it, so we need to look at how we do that now not later.
A business/supporters Trust partnership is the way forward imho, we create an huge amount of shares and make them available, absorbing existing shareholdings and any directors loans. Lisa/Trust money goes to the club via shares, as would TC and any other investment from a business or individual - Toady may be able to fill in legals here.
The articles of the trust may cover the possibility of a sugar daddy but to me its simple an investment in shares that allows him to control the club, from which any further investment would be via more shares not Director Loans, if he loses interest then he contributes no more and his share is gradually diluted.
I'll leave the community stuff to Mish and Bugsy, but having young kids doing it raises a few questions, I would prefer it to employ FT players like Sheffield do.'"
Richie Blackmore isn't that young
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: maurice "ST -The model we should have turned to all those years ago?
The question will be simple. Can we operate on the same cost base next season and will we get the same co-operation from LSV co ?
Assuming our cost base increases, eg reserves etc, and the LSV revert to previous form then we have a gap that needs to be filled. The incumbants have stated they will not fill it, so we need to look at how we do that now not later.
A business/supporters Trust partnership is the way forward imho, we create an huge amount of shares and make them available, absorbing existing shareholdings and any directors loans. Lisa/Trust money goes to the club via shares, as would TC and any other investment from a business or individual - Toady may be able to fill in legals here.
The articles of the trust may cover the possibility of a sugar daddy but to me its simple an investment in shares that allows him to control the club, from which any further investment would be via more shares not Director Loans, if he loses interest then he contributes no more and his share is gradually diluted.
I'll leave the community stuff to Mish and Bugsy, but having young kids doing it raises a few questions, I would prefer it to employ FT players like Sheffield do.'"
Get beating that drum Mo
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: ste_ody "Richie Blackmore isn't that young'"
He is also the ' General Manager ' , although I thought his remit was business development , is he qualified to do community work ? , is he experienced in it ? , has he ever submitted bids for funding ?
All serious questions , as I put earlier , you can get away working in marketing ie , ' Business development ' with a strong personality and a enthusiastic outlook , other jobs require specific skills and experience
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| Quote: Starbug "He is also the ' General Manager ' , although I thought his remit was business development , is he qualified to do community work ? , is he experienced in it ? , has he ever submitted bids for funding ?
All serious questions , as I put earlier , you can get away working in marketing ie , ' Business development ' with a strong personality and a enthusiastic outlook , other jobs require specific skills and experience'"
im not sure, persoanlly i don't know much about him. Maybe you could ask him this at the LISA meeting? i think he's making an appearence there this week
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[b:5a56um9q]George Orwell [/b:5a56um9q]
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| OK I think the most important questions regarding the Supporters Trust has to be - what did you actually do for the club and how many new fans did you bring through the gate? How many schools did you get into and how well did you do in generating interest among the junior fans?
This is surely the test of how successful the ST was, and how 'professional' you were?
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| I have had a look at the Leigh Communtiy Trust website to see what they are doing in the community.
I notice one of the Trustees is Steve Pike who I think is Starbug (apologies if I am wrong).
If this is the case perhaps we should be aware of this "interest" and await the other side of the story from the club before getting involved in speculation on here.
This is not a crticism of Starbug but when an interested party is passionate about something the other side may be equally as passionate.
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| Please can we all take time out, here. I understand where 'Starbug' is coming from, as he has put considerable time and effort into what was the Community Trust. However, I believe that the way the Club & Community Department links were set up, just wasn't working. To say we will not have a 'Community Department', in the future, is way wide of the mark. So, let's just await developments. One thing's for sure - the current administration is 100% aware that it is essential for the club to have strong links with the community and schools, in order to move forward, and they will be doing something about that.
Oh, and by the way, the current administration does have access to 'volunteers' who are highly professionally qualified. (and I'm not talking about me here!)
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| Quote: Alan "Please can we all take time out, here. I understand where 'Starbug' is coming from, as he has put considerable time and effort into what was the Community Trust. However, I believe that the way the Club & Community Department links were set up, just wasn't working. To say we will not have a 'Community Department', in the future, is way wide of the mark. So, let's just await developments. One thing's for sure - the current administration is 100% aware that it is essential for the club to have strong links with the community and schools, in order to move forward, and they will be doing something about that.
Oh, and by the way, the current administration does have access to 'volunteers' who are highly professionally qualified. (and I'm not talking about me here!)'"
Are these the club apprentices? i was talking to one of them the other day and they deliver posters into schools whilst doing activities! They mention our club alot too.
Maybe we can ask one of them to dress up as parky ?
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| Quote: ste_ody "]
Are these the club apprentices? i was talking to one of them the other day and they deliver posters into schools whilst doing activities! They mention our club alot too.
Maybe we can ask one of them to dress up as parky ?'"
No ste. I'm talking about members of the PSG and Board, who are devoting a lot of their time to putting things in order and moving forward. Their professional qualifications and experience are very impressive and would cost (any club) a small fortune to pay for! And, incidentally, they are all members of the local 'Community'.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Alan "Please can we all take time out, here. I understand where 'Starbug' is coming from, as he has put considerable time and effort into what was the Community Trust. However, I believe that the way the Club & Community Department links were set up, just wasn't working. To say we will not have a 'Community Department', in the future, is way wide of the mark. So, let's just await developments. One thing's for sure - the current administration is 100% aware that it is essential for the club to have strong links with the community and schools, in order to move forward, and they will be doing something about that.
Oh, and by the way, the current administration does have access to 'volunteers' who are highly professionally qualified. (and I'm not talking about me here!)[/quote]
Quite correct , not suggesting the PSG is anything other than a group of highly qualified people in their own fields , however are any of them prepared and qualified to take control of and run a F/T community dept
You yourself do a highly proffessional job of producing and editing the club programme , it is what you ' want ' to do , you enjoy it , similarily the Kids club and the Radio coverage are being done by people to a high standard because they are experienced in those fields , but more importantly , they are ' interested ' in doing it
But asking for volunteers to do something they dont understand , probably dont have the time to commit to , and something they aren't actually interested in is something totally different
Also just to put things in ' perspective ' , the RFL no less see having a Community Trust as opposed to a Community Dept as ' Best Practice ' , the majority if not all SL clubs have Trusts running their community work as opposed to a dept , I have no doubt if the club consulted with their latest Director [ A trustee of the W1g4n Warriors community Trust ] they would get proffessional advice on which is the best for the club and the best direction the club should take
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: mishmash "OK I think the most important questions regarding the Supporters Trust has to be - what did you actually do for the club and how many new fans did you bring through the gate? How many schools did you get into and how well did you do in generating interest among the junior fans?
This is surely the test of how successful the ST was, and how 'professional' you were?'"
Mish , for clarity can you change your ' S,s ' to ' C,s '
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Toadstool "I have had a look at the Leigh Communtiy Trust website to see what they are doing in the community.
I notice one of the Trustees is Steve Pike who I think is Starbug (apologies if I am wrong).
If this is the case perhaps we should be aware of this "interest" and await the other side of the story from the club before getting involved in speculation on here.
This is not a crticism of Starbug but when an interested party is passionate about something the other side may be equally as passionate.'"
Thats me , I altered my ' sig ' last night to avoid confusion , my ' interest ' in the Community Trust [ former dept ] is for it to do what it was set up to do , to increase awarenes in the community of Leigh Centurions , to help increase the fan base of Leigh Centurions and to where possible employ Leigh Centurions players
The current administration were invited to appoint club employee's/directors onto the Trust , they declined citing a ' conflict of interest ' , they now claim they dont have any ' control ' of the Trust , maybe if they could make up their mind what they do actually ' want ' then all this could have been avoided
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