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| Quote: Alan "Realise that Steve. I was just re-inforcing what you said.
The problem is Alan , that some people seem to think that donations are self sustaining , when in fact they are no different to having a sugar daddy , any money that is not genuinely ' earned ' is donation and is not sustainable long term
Part of the LISA drive for new members was that it was short term , ie till the end of next season , similarily with the Corporate Club , eventually companies might not be in a position to donate , or the owners choose not to
And one thing is for sure , if you have a genuinely sustainable club , you become much more attractive to investement , quite simply , that is the situation at Widnes , Steve O Connor was primarily a football fan , but the numbers needed to join that ' Circus ' are obviously ridiculous , but the local RL team with enough income to almost break even was a much more attractive proposition
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| It is total stupidity to plan to have a successful club at this level and expect not to need income to be externally topped up.
If we simply want a bunch of not good enoughs playing in the strip on a Sunday afternoon in C1 then I agree with your post, if thats the case then let it die now.
We should be ambitious and plan to meet that ambition from generated revenues, we should also be prudent enough to have external income in place to cover shortfalls.
We should be able to run at the top of this tier losing no more than £100k pa, if we reach a GF or NRC then that is dramatically reduced.
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| Quote: maurice "We should be able to run at the top of this tier losing no more than £100k pa'"
Is that not where we are now? with a loss of c£100k but with no one to top it up?
That IS the current issue, probably will be again next year and therefore highlights the necessity to be totally self sustaining.
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| Quote: leighonardo "Is that not where we are now? with a loss of c£100k but with no one to top it up?
That IS the current issue, probably will be again next year and therefore highlights the necessity to be totally self sustaining.'"
I understand AT's charity is in 7 figures over recent years, so the deficit was more like 300k pa .
The cuts made are getting it more like the 100k and that should be sustainable.
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| Does the £100k black hole include the players wages due on friday or were they paid and are not included now. If they were n't paid there must be some very angry and disillusioned players who may possibly be looking for legal redress. Lets hope they were paid.
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| Good interview that and re-assuring that the determination is there and things are happening. Thanks Dave.
Also I would think the aim of being self sufficient should always be the ultimate aim. In times of crisis the local community and fans do rally round, but as time goes by that support of hard earned monies donated dwindles as confidence starts to rise again.
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| Quote: Starbug "It would work for a year or two to keep us going , not sustainable long term , ultimately the club has to become a true business ( or as close to one as possible )
If we set the target to remain a charity , then a charity we will remain , and the same problems will come back to haunt us again'" ]
Agreed. We can't just get over this initial huge hurdle relying on donations and then think the jobs done.
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| Quote: concerned "Does the £100k black hole include the players wages due on friday or were they paid and are not included now. If they were n't paid there must be some very angry and disillusioned players who may possibly be looking for legal redress. Lets hope they were paid.'"
You really need to do one, as a Sheffield fan you couldn't even be ar$ed to go to the GF
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| Quote: "You really need to do one, as a Sheffield fan you couldn't even be ar$ed to go to the GF'"
The wonders of a Blackberry! You dont need to be at home to post!
But seriously the question remains, re going into administration, were the players paid their wages on Friday. If they were n't paid then presumably this is a major concern for Barton and the Directors. This is before they even think about next year.
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| Quote: concerned "The wonders of a Blackberry! You dont need to be at home to post!
But seriously the question remains, re going into administration, were the players paid their wages on Friday. If they were n't paid then presumably this is a major concern for Barton and the Directors. This is before they even think about next year.'"
Yes it is , so what do you want us to do ?
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| Quote: maurice "It is total stupidity to plan to have a successful club at this level and expect not to need income to be externally topped up.
If we simply want a bunch of not good enoughs playing in the strip on a Sunday afternoon in C1 then I agree with your post, if thats the case then let it die now.
We should be ambitious and plan to meet that ambition from generated revenues, we should also be prudent enough to have external income in place to cover shortfalls.
We should be able to run at the top of this tier losing no more than £100k pa, if we reach a GF or NRC then that is dramatically reduced.'"
I'd suggest it is stupidity to constantly be ' begging ' for money , because eventually everybody says No , as long as have to ' Beg ' we are not anywhere near a SL club
So to suggest we accept that we will always have to ' Beg ' is to accept we are nothing and never will be anything but a small struggling RL club in a small town in W1g4n
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| Ste how do we ban the prikk.
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| Quote: maurice "Ste how do we ban the prikk.'"
What ! , who ?
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| Quote: Starbug "I'd suggest it is stupidity to constantly be ' begging ' for money , because eventually everybody says No , as long as have to ' Beg ' we are not anywhere near a SL club
So to suggest we accept that we will always have to ' Beg ' is to accept we are nothing and never will be anything but a small struggling RL club in a small town in W1g4n'"
See I dont call it begging, I call it a reality of sport that external funding is required and as we build revenues that external funding may be greater or not required at all.
A board of shareholders being asked to fund £100k every year is nothing in the world of sport, we cannot survive on gates and if every other penny is begging in your opinion then beg we must. I do not call sponsorship, acquiring shares or a couple of quid a week on the Lifeline as begging but others obviously do.
We have a hole to fill then must attract those willing and able to come onboard to create the bright future we have before us.
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| Quote: Starbug "What ! , who ?'"
The blackberry wielding Sheffield season ticket holder who spent 60 years watching Leigh
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