Not if whats in place understand the challenges and go about it the right way and not the way that worked in 1949.
We are a dinosaur that needs modernising.

We've been there before and the club has survived, supporters trust was not what people wanted and the name itself scares people away, we need to think of something new and unique, that people will buy into.
Maybe the fans buy the club and own it?

To be honest Lynda, the vote was at a LISA meeting with around 30 people in attendance. Not all voted against the Trust and of those that did several where of the older type who I don't think understood what was going on and just wanted to keep little old LISA. If I remember correctly, there was a choice of actions but I don't think it was worded fairly for people to understand (Do you still have a copy of the options).

Agreed, at least he's doing something, I can't afford that kind of money at the moment, but I will be all ears if any other schemes are put in place.

Faire play to Maurice though, hope he gets enough people pledging.

I do somewhere, we copied it from the supporters trust organisation.
I also had all the postal votes as well as the ones who bothered to attend and I actually invited every member to the meeting,by post, it was an open meeting anyone could attend it was reported.
As you said there wasnt many that turned up. Also it was in the local newspapers and also the rugby leaguer, so it was advertised what was going on, if people choose not to attend then the majority counts.

Personally we need to come with something new. Lets all wait to see what today brings with the meeting thats happening etc and then get together, find a venue and we'll all turn up and discuss matters.

Lynda some facts.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with LISA, it will continue to do what its members want.
LISA was asked if it wanted to become a trust and voted not to.
LISA has continued to shrink since 2004 and the guaranteed £35k plus years
We need a substantial amount of extra income to replace what AT has put in, quickly
Not everyone has the spare cash to support this
Not everyone will want to support this, but I trust that if they support their club they will not try to stop this revenue stream
This could be supported by enough fans to make a difference, indeed it looks like it has already

The future should be about creating a community passionate about our club and the town, like any community it will be made up of all walks of life and financial circumstances but united by a common goal - making our club the best it can be.

Maurice I’ve a few questions.

100 people paying £50 per month is only £60k per year, do you know that attendance figures or we have other investors willing to make up the difference?

Why exclude the potential smaller investor? For those who can’t afford £50 per month, could none voting ‘shares’ be purchased at say for £5 per share, this allows them to buy into their club, family and friends could buy them shares for their birthdays etc?

Or why not try for 200 people at £5 per wk? (Didn’t the lottery initially start out as the 200 club?)

Or have Bronze member - 100 people x 5/wk = £26k/yr
Silver members - 50 people x £50/mth = £30k/yr
Gold members – the corporate club

I’m currently a lottery member paying £104 per year and £110 – £140 (?) for my season ticket, if I decide to pay £50/mth (£600 per year), would I still need to do this as well or would this mean in real terms I’m looking for an additional £400?

One thing which would need to be a condition of any supporter led investment is that the balance sheet needs to be cleaned up - ie Directors' loans need to be capitalised.

Nothing particularly radical about this but often there is a reluctance for investors to accept the realities of the situation.

I think that whilst what is being discussed is a good medium term plan the immediate issues can only be resolved by a significant investor/s taking a professional approach to the transition and dealing with some of the core issues.

Hopefully this is happening as we speak!

GLOW I agree, but we have an immediate need and hence a simple solution.
Toady is the beanie, and knows the legals required.
I would like to see my kids buying me £20 of shares at Xmas/Birthdays instead of socks and undies, imagine 1000 fans getting the same every year !!!
This fantastic opportunity will be about passion, transparency, community and a great feeling of togetherness that will make us unstoppable because the people driving it will have that same passion we have lacked.
Finally, Yes this group will be one of many generating the £150k we need every year - £25k would be our share, £50k would be brilliant.
I expect some great news these next couple of days, followed by great times ahead and a broom through the club to allow them to happen.
The future is very bright if we get behind what will happen.

Now now

OK, OK Toady is not like all the other Beanies

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If LISA isnt wanted so be it, however Im sure we could turn it into what is required rather then start from stratch.
I feel as if Ive been kicked in the teeth.
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Pointless thread, every time we are in 'crisis' this topic comes up from the same originator

Average home attendees - Say 2000
Of those how many visit this forum? - 250-350? (If That)

And you need 250 people to make 150k possible which in my opinion is not going to happen posting on here maurice

Nothing will happen today or tomorrow or the day after that. To set something like this up to potential investors (which is what everyone is) you need a proposed plan so these fans ensure their money gets used correctly. Where is the plan? Organise a presentation evening? Hire a hall and present to everyone what the proposition is instead of posting here. Spread the word in the journal.

If you say 100k per annum marketing budget will bring you in 1000 extra fans over a twelve month period not only is it healthy for club stature but also at £14 a game you would bring 40k profit into the club. even if we only bring in 700 extra fans and make a small loss in that department of £2k you are still seeing average gate figures pushing 3xxx

The key to growth is investment and unfortunately maurice I do not believe that you will find 250 people here that are financially stable in the current climate to invest in your 'idea'

If you are that confident why not re-mortgage, invest and pump that money into the club and when your ideas come to fruition set up the trust and repay the director loan to yourself using the supporters trust to drive the club forward.

But again you will not find 250 people throwing £50 a month at you on rlfans, I personally would rather make extra £50 a month payments on my loan and clear it 10 months early.

People need to get a grip!

Nobody yet knows the motives or indeed the implications of Mr Thomas' decision to retire, yet the infighting, bickering and bitching it has caused on here is ridiculous considering this was such a happy place on Sunday night.

There was enough in Monday's press release to make me believe that Mr Thomas' decision won't be the end of the world.

Can't people just wait until the next announcement before they get the razor blades & violins out or indeed launch their takeover bids?

rlhttp://www.supporters-direct.org/page.asp?p? Also a good place to start: www.supporters-direct.org/home.asp?reg=engwal# As someone very involved in a supporters trust, it is something I would promote for the future of sport. For a number of reasons, my "involvement" in Leigh RL is only from afar these days, but a supporters trust can only be a positive. From the 1st link, you can see the difference between a trust and an ISA, both can co-exist if that is what all really want and no one needs to be kicked in the teeth. More power to the trust elbow should it happen.

rlhttp://www.supporters-direct.org/page.asp?p? Also a good place to start: www.supporters-direct.org/home.asp?reg=engwal# As someone very involved in a supporters trust, it is something I would promote for the future of sport. For a number of reasons, my "involvement" in Leigh RL is only from afar these days, but a supporters trust can only be a positive. From the 1st link, you can see the difference between a trust and an ISA, both can co-exist if that is what all really want and no one needs to be kicked in the teeth. More power to the trust elbow should it happen.