i liv in wrexham and the area has been cryin out for somethin like this, no big union team and not a great football team. and bringin in g thomas was the best thing they could of done, every1 round here thinks of him as a brother, our alfie this, our alfie that. half of the people going don't no the rules but they are still turning up and learning but more importantly paying.

It sounds like Noble is leaving them though, all the same, from what he says in that interview

Has left them, Harris to take over

Quote: DemonUK "Has left them, Harris to take over'" Not yet he hasn't. Still speculation. He's having second thoughts after the way the season has finished up. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 991360.stm If he does go he leaves the club in good hands with Iestyn and Jon Sharpe. They have learned from the master. Best coach in Superleague bar none. Coach of the Year without a doubt.

Quote: DemonUK "Has left them, Harris to take over'" Not yet he hasn't. Still speculation. He's having second thoughts after the way the season has finished up. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 991360.stm If he does go he leaves the club in good hands with Iestyn and Jon Sharpe. They have learned from the master. Best coach in Superleague bar none. Coach of the Year without a doubt.

You're not allowed to say things like that on here. I've been repeating exactly those comments since before the 'original' Crusaders were launched - that Wrexham is the ideal expansion area, and that if we can't make a go of it there then we may as well bury the game - and have been torn to shreds for it. I grew up in Wrexham and was aware then of the reasonable following for the game there while I was there.
It also helps RLs cause that the Welsh RU hate North Wales clubs, and are playing into the RLs hands.

The fact remains that (no matter how much you want to put PROPAGANDA - or even FACT! - in capitals) Crusaders are doing better after 12 months in Wrexham than Leigh are doing after 100 years.

Yes Nik they are doing well , pity they didn't have apply for a franchise

They could have been a real RFL success if they had

I dare say we would have done very well too if we had ex amount of overseas players ,lets not forget that ,it will be good to see a practically all Welsh lads playing for the team but that is a way off yet

What a crock you spout at times...... how long before they uproot them again?.
Before you make a reply I`m not against a welsh team based in Wrexham, just irked by that typical VT comeback in your last sentence. Which is totally irrelevant by the way but so much used by Expanso boys.

wasting your time bart man.this board seems to be overrun at the moment with ex leigh people with no interest in rl outside of sle.

Just because opinions differ from yours doesn't mean they are any less of a supporter. I would rather have Leigh in a more national competition in the 3rd division of 3 looking up to progress (with P&R), than be in a local sport competition in top division by virtual default. The 100 years prior to Sky money got us nowhere near this. At least money is being used towards this goal that then leads to more money in the game.

as iv'e said before,iv'e little interest in watching leigh in a league called SLE limited reguardless of how they get there.but if thats what the club wants then i'll go with it for now.i personally would love the people who run the sle limited organisation to pull up the drawbridge and be done with it.at least that way we all know were we stand instead of being left hanging around like little oliver twist <please sir can i have some more>.

Bugs me every time I see this type of statement - it implies that every club is expected to continually improve every year until after 100 years you are bigger than Real Madrid. It never happens like that. Leigh have had many years of success and decent crowds for most of its existence - but in the last 20 years or so we have fallen on hard times. It is not reasonable to compare Leigh and Crusaders. Crusaders have started off reasonably well but it is early days yet - can they survive the lean times like Leigh have (without the RFL bending over backwards) - because they will definitely come for every club..

how right you are.

the sad thing is they dont realise how ridiculous they sound when they continually come out with it.

That is it in a nutshell, the way to go.

Wigan finished top of the Super League, can't go any higher, fans are happy.
Leigh East finished top of the Conference, cant go any higher, fans are happy.

If Leigh Centurions finish top of the Championship, can't go any higher, fans should be happy, shouldn't they?

yes