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| Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "I think you are missing the point Nik
In the same way that Toulouse signed 5 australians without consulting the RFL over the quota,s
Strange that they only announced who these players were 3 months later
Relegation battle or not , the system that allows clubs to sign players before the end of the season doesn't work with salary caps in place
The RFL put the system in place , it doesn't take a brain scientist [ Barry Macs term , not mine
We,ve signed players , they either give us dispensation or we break the salary cap /get sued for non payment of contracts
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Chris Saint "Most SL clubs operate at a loss sadly it is not going to change without major backers other than Sky in terms of sponsorship etc... its not really much to do with the salary cap for any teams
Leigh's sitution should be no different to any other Championship One club - they agreed to the rules regarding Tolouse prior to kick off so no point bleating about that being wrong now.
Surely risking signing expensive ex SL players and coaches in a bid to win the NR Cup is Leigh's own problem not the RFL?
Putting all your eggs in one basket in a bid tick a box to apply for SL in 2012 (a la Widnes) should have come second to staying in the division in the first place??
A lot of your fans say its all the RFL's fault but did they cause Leigh to play some truly tragic rugby all season?? And now even more laughably in the same breath you all want the RFL to bend the rules again to give Leigh an unfair advantage over everyone else.
The arrogance of some of you lot on here is truly shocking, similar to the panicking Pie Eaters when they nearly went down, "the RFL can't send us down becuase we are Leigh" this is Leigh the team with only one season in the top flight in years and that was awful, perhaps you should look at yourselves as over achievers between 1998-2004 - had you been in Celtic's position this year you'd have been lucky to score a single point
Have a dose of realism, just embrace CC1 if you are as good as you lot say you'd win it without breaking the rules & prove the RFL wrong anyway!!'"
The problem lies with the RFL , they want a salary cap in Championship and Championship 1 , but the contracts for both divisions is the same , what happens if say Widnes sign a full team at the max Championship SC all on 3 year contracts , is that unreasonable ?
Now then what happens if that club is relegated ?
Are you saying that Championship clubs should only be allowed to offer 1 year contracts ?
We have done nothing different to several other clubs , what do you want us to do , not sign anybody while other clubs take the pick of players because we ' might ' be relegated
Saints might go bancrupt next season so you are only allowed 1 year contracts and you cannot sign anybody until you have deposited 1.8 million in the bank , is that reasonable ?
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| Quote: Starbug "In the same way that Toulouse signed 5 australians without consulting the RFL over the quota,s
Strange that they only announced who these players were 3 months later
Relegation battle or not , the system that allows clubs to sign players before the end of the season doesn't work with salary caps in place
The RFL put the system in place , it doesn't take a brain scientist [ Barry Macs term , not mine
That bit did make me laugh. I could just imagine us using this as our opening statement in court.
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| Quote: Starbug "The problem lies with the RFL , they want a salary cap in Championship and Championship 1 , but the contracts for both divisions is the same , what happens if say Widnes sign a full team at the max Championship SC all on 3 year contracts , is that unreasonable ?
Now then what happens if that club is relegated ?
Are you saying that Championship clubs should only be allowed to offer 1 year contracts ?
We have done nothing different to several other clubs , what do you want us to do , not sign anybody while other clubs take the pick of players because we ' might ' be relegated
Saints might go bancrupt next season so you are only allowed 1 year contracts and you cannot sign anybody until you have deposited 1.8 million in the bank , is that reasonable ?'"
Up until this year relegation has been in place in Super League, signing players is and has always been at the CLUBS risk not the RFL.
If Widnes chose to gamble on 3 year contracts for an entire squad they would have to deal with the consequences if they did get relegated the rules are there before the season starts, the clubs sign up to those rules so it is their own fault if they can’t abide by them.
I don’t think clubs should offer one year contracts, but what is to stop clubs writing in reduced wages / get out clauses dependent on relegation (they do this in almost every level of football) – if a player doesn’t want to sign one – are they the type of player you’d want as they are clearly only in it for the money?
Robbie Paul has already publicly stated he will honour his deal –to even say that suggests there had to have been some form of get out clause in his deal.
As for my own club, if Saints go bankrupt it would hurt me like hell but it would be their own doing and is again not the fault of the RFL, I wouldn’t want the RFL to change the rules to suit me, I’d rather Saints changed their structure internally and come back stronger on a solid footing in 3-6 years time if they don’t they can’t blame anyone else.
I personally don’t agree with the SC I would prefer clubs to manage their own finances and sign who they want but maintain a higher proportion of home grown talent in their squads so that clubs can’t buy all the best talent a la Wigan from 1985-1995 etc.. As it would encourage clubs to develop their academies while still allowing star signings.
What you are basically saying is that clubs should just break the SC and the RFL will have to be ok with it and give dispensation as it’s not the clubs fault. When in reality Leigh took a gamble that they would be safe and signed up players for 2010 sadly for you it has proved to be a mistake, taking loyalty aside why should the RFL bend their rules?
Did Dewsbury get beneficial treatment this year or Rochdale / Doncaster the year before? Does it mean Doncaster can sign who they like for 2010 up to 400K as they are in the same position as Leigh?
One option would be for RFL to step in and void your contracts, like they do with SL contracts on relegation, thus removing any liability on Leigh and allowing you to compete on a level playing field, if they went down your road then no team will ever make it up from CC1 as the club coming down can spend 3 times as much probably stay full time and I can’t see the CC1 clubs just accepting that.
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Chris Saint "Up until this year relegation has been in place in Super League, signing players is and has always been at the CLUBS risk not the RFL.
If Widnes chose to gamble on 3 year contracts for an entire squad they would have to deal with the consequences if they did get relegated the rules are there before the season starts, the clubs sign up to those rules so it is their own fault if they can’t abide by them.
I don’t think clubs should offer one year contracts, but what is to stop clubs writing in reduced wages / get out clauses dependent on relegation (they do this in almost every level of football) – if a player doesn’t want to sign one – are they the type of player you’d want as they are clearly only in it for the money?
Robbie Paul has already publicly stated he will honour his deal –to even say that suggests there had to have been some form of get out clause in his deal.
As for my own club, if Saints go bankrupt it would hurt me like hell but it would be their own doing and is again not the fault of the RFL, I wouldn’t want the RFL to change the rules to suit me, I’d rather Saints changed their structure internally and come back stronger on a solid footing in 3-6 years time if they don’t they can’t blame anyone else.
I personally don’t agree with the SC I would prefer clubs to manage their own finances and sign who they want but maintain a higher proportion of home grown talent in their squads so that clubs can’t buy all the best talent a la Wigan from 1985-1995 etc.. As it would encourage clubs to develop their academies while still allowing star signings.
What you are basically saying is that clubs should just break the SC and the RFL will have to be ok with it and give dispensation as it’s not the clubs fault. When in reality Leigh took a gamble that they would be safe and signed up players for 2010 sadly for you it has proved to be a mistake, taking loyalty aside why should the RFL bend their rules?
Did Dewsbury get beneficial treatment this year or Rochdale / Doncaster the year before? Does it mean Doncaster can sign who they like for 2010 up to 400K as they are in the same position as Leigh?
One option would be for RFL to step in and void your contracts, like they do with SL contracts on relegation, thus removing any liability on Leigh and allowing you to compete on a level playing field, if they went down your road then no team will ever make it up from CC1 as the club coming down can spend 3 times as much probably stay full time and I can’t see the CC1 clubs just accepting that.'"
SL and the championship are totally different competitions therefore the contracts are and have always been different , the RFL dont/didn't ' step in ' as you say
As for only playing for the money , do me a favour , they all play for the money , if one club were to insist upon clauses nobody would sign for them , that is the point , the RFL should have seen this coming
Just as they should have seen the original problem W1g4n had when they introduced the SC to SL , just as there should have been something in the operating rules when London Bronco's engineered an administration after 3/4 games of a season
Same scenario with Saints and the international bonus payments and W1g4n again with the 2006 salary cap fiddle
It is a loophole , the RFL are not good at spotting loopholes until somebody either finds and uses one or in this case it just happens as a series of events that they should have thought about when they set the rules
If they want to insist on clauses in contracts , fine , they do it from next year , if they want to insist on 1 year contracts , fine , next year , if they refuse us a dispensation , fine , we get sued by the players for breaking contracts so we sue the RFL for restriction of trade , as no doubt W1gan would have done years ago
The problem is the more rules they bring in the more complicated the sport becomes
As I posted earlier , when the invited Toulouse into the Championship they announced that they would have a salary cap dispensation because they had already signed 5 overseas players , and yet those players were only announced 3 months later
I agree that it is wrong and we should have to abide by the Championship 1 rules , but rules have to be bullet proof or they dont work , we have done nothing wrong , these contracts were signed long before we knew we were relegated
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| saints, wigan & a few others have broke the salery cap for years, the problem is they know how to & we dont. saints have broke the salary cap
from year 1, here is the ruling, (give or take a few points) if you brake the salary cap, but only by Xamount of ££, you only get a fine
(the following year), alla saints & other sl clubs, if you brake it by more ££ (you get a point deduction) alla wigan
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Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: lobbys & pies "saints, wigan & a few others have broke the salery cap for years, the problem is they know how to & we dont. saints have broke the salary cap
from year 1, here is the ruling, (give or take a few points) if you brake the salary cap, but only by Xamount of ££, you only get a fine
(the following year), alla saints & other sl clubs, if you brake it by more ££ (you get a point deduction) alla wigan'"
Not any more , it is now a ' live ' cap , you state what you will be paying every month , if that is too much they can hit you with fines and penalty points there and then
That is why we have asked for dispensation , if they dont give it to us , we have a problem , however they will be leaving themselves open to legal action
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| The obvious solution is that all contracts should become null and void upon relegation.
That is what used to happen with SL contracts (when we had P&R) - players became free agents if a club was relegated, to protect the club from the financial consequences.
If the RFL introduced a similar rule for CC & CC1 then there wouldn't be a problem.
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| Quote: Derwent "The obvious solution is that all contracts should become null and void upon relegation.
That is what used to happen with SL contracts (when we had P&R) - players became free agents if a club was relegated, to protect the club from the financial consequences.
If the RFL introduced a similar rule for CC & CC1 then there wouldn't be a problem.'"
Or as mentioned don't let clubs sign players until season ends.
Or even better treat C & C1 as one competition with P&R and let all member clubs spend money they can afford would be better ruling. Get shut of the cap.
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9005.jpg kcab sfrawdder
Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity
Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike
SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done
But he with a chuckle replied
That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one
Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried.
So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin
On his face. If he worried he hid it.
He started to sing as he tackled the thing
That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg |
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| Quote: Derwent "The obvious solution is that all contracts should become null and void upon relegation.
That is what used to happen with SL contracts (when we had P&R) - players became free agents if a club was relegated, to protect the club from the financial consequences.
If the RFL introduced a similar rule for CC & CC1 then there wouldn't be a problem.'"
No problem , bring it in 2 years from now then we all know about it and can work with it
But you then have to consider what other problems that will give for clubs , what loopholes might appear and what punishments should be used if they are abused
So have a think on it and come back
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