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Quote: The Kevster! "You wanna try living in my house then next door to a bunch of wasters with no jobs who don't speak a word of the Queen's and don't care how much noise they make any day or night of the week.

None of them work and they must be claiming every benefit under the sun. It's an absolute disgrace. I've nothing against anyone who wants to come here and add something to the country and fit in but people like this want throwing back on the boat.'"


Er, except they aren't. YOur blithe assertion makes exactly the point, that most prejudice against immigrants and asylum seekers is based on ignorance and assumption. Alex's Das has nicely pointed out a benefit that only asylum seekers receive... but hasn't pointed out that this is ALL they get.

Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work. They can't calim incomse support, or jobseekers, or housing benefit, or anything else. WE house and feed them. They live where they are put, and have no choice in it. They get utilities paid, and then they get, at most, £66.13 for a couple, to live on. They must follow these terms for as long as it takes to examine their case for asylum. Asylum is only granted if it can be shown that they are in danger or imprisonment, torture or death in their country of origin, and then only for things that we would not consider a crime (such as having left a particular religion, or for expressing a particular point of view). If they don't meet the criteria, or come from a country which our government has deemed safe, they are sent home.

If it can be shown that they entered the UK through a country in which they could first have claimed asylum, they are sent there. Relatively few people are actually granted asylum. Many seek to come to the UK, because in the last 400 years Britain invaded and colonised much of the world.. hence our culture, language and values are taught in many places as the model of a tolerant society (there is some irony here), and also because, as a result of that, there are millions of people all over the world who have distant relatives who hae been British for one, two or more generations.

If they aren't asylum seekers, they are immigrants. If they are not EU citizens, but have come here legally, they have had to fulfil stringent entry criteria. If they are EU citizens, they have as much right to be here as you have to be in their country of origin. If they are from EU accession countries like Poland, Hugary, The Czech republic, Slovakia etc, then they are not entitled to benefits, and if they are from old EU countries like France, Ireland, Spain and Italy, then you are entitled to claim the equvalent benefits as a local if you go there.

If they haven't fulfilled the criteria or are claiming benefits they aren't entitled to, they are breaking the law, simple as that. If they get caught, they'll be treated in the same juducial system as a British cheat, with the added bonus of being deported after they've finished their sentence (or occasionally to serve their sentences in their ow country, in a reciprocal arrangement by which we take back British prisoners convicted abroad).

You wanna try living next door to a bunch of wasters who are white anglo-saxon wasters born and bred for generations in this country. There's plenty of them about. Every society has them, and while its as true of immigrant communities as it is of ancient britons, that has nothing to do with them being immigrants, and eveything to do with them being wasters.

Last up, the Queen's English is an interesting phrase. The Queen's family name is Saxe-Coberg Goetha, from which you might correctly assume the royals are German (its just that being german wasn't so clever in1914, so they called themselves Windsor). Queenie is married to a Greek. Now, if ever there was a sponging imigrant who contributed nothing and took millions from the British taxpayer, it was Prince Phillip. But his son (maybe) and Grandson will one day be the King of England. Go figure.

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Quote: Wembley71 "
Now, if ever there was a sponging imigrant who contributed nothing and took millions from the British taxpayer, it was Prince Phillip.'"


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Nothing what you have written can be argued against, though it does suggest that the ideal system is in place and being strictly adheared to.

We both know that doesn't represent what is actually happening.

If the system was so clear cut, why do so many pass through countless other countries to get here? There is a reason, and its not the glorious weather we have.

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Quote: Alexs Dad "There is a reason, and its not the glorious weather we have.'"


Naah, the reason is after 400 years of empire, and after encouraging mass immigration in the post-war decades, literally millions of people all over the world have relatives here.

The system we have in place is fine in theory, it just needs policing and enforcing, and that's a question of resources and political will, and even then, there will always be lawbreakers. Murder's illegal but it still happens.

It is very difficult to get into the UK legally... just ask the Australian players who aren't playing NL1 this season. If you get in illegally, that's not the fault of the system, and unless you're forging documents and lying through your teeth, you don;t suddenly qualify for handouts, you get sent home.

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Quote: Michael_Ward "People are not grasping this - the only people who get any sort of special treatment are asylum seekers, and they have to meet some very stringent criteria to get the help they deserve.

Every other problem is one that is much a problem amongst white British as it is amongst those from other countries. Those issues need dealing with, but the solutions will affect all and not just the foreign.

Don't let xenophobia cloud your judgement. This country has a lot of problems, but very few of those problems are caused by immigrants.'"
You are wasting your breath, you really are.
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Quote: Wembley71 "

The system we have in place is fine in theory, it just needs policing and enforcing
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Agreed, and there lies the heart of the problem. I'm bored of the rest now. icon_lol.gif

Now then, these bone idle theiving workshy junkie British layabouts you mention. icon_wink.gif

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Can we keep them in if they are good at rugby league.

Maybe this is an untapped stream we could go for future Leigh players......

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W71, the average Joe in Leigh is Pd off with what our town has become and the placing of hundreds of mainly Muslim Asylum Seekers/Illegals has created a ghetto feel as the town continues along its journey into the smelly stuff.
I dont go into town anymore, pooh shops, immigrants everywhere and one even trying to sell the Big Issue. It simply doesnt feel like Leigh.
I live in Pennington, thankfully none have been placed here so I can avoid the feelings of despair I get when in town. I am sure you can also avoid the day to day reality in Exeter, or even Appley Bridge.
Avoided the reality of what has been created allows one to pontificate the virtues of the British way, fighting for the underdog, just causes, doing whats right - you do it very well, much better than most could argue against you.
The reality doesnt change though, we are far too soft with minorities, we bend to cater for them, we often seem to be against what being British is about and have done a great job in turning the average Joe into a potential right wing voter because we are so frustrated with the reality on our streets.
We need a radical overhaul of our immigration and human rights policies, and we need to toughen up with how we deal with Muslim extremists within our society.
I welcome anyone to our shores who wants to embrace what being British is about, our values, our visions and our opportunities. Anyone with an agenda to change these should be thrown out now before it goes too far.

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Can you define what "British values" are please ? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "Can you define what "British values" are please ?
Drinking to extremes and invading countries whilst dressed up as morris dancers.

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Quote: Alexs Dad "Drinking to extremes and invading countries whilst dressed up as morris dancers.'"


You missed off going abroad and expecting the locals to speak our language in their country.
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Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "Can you define what "British values" are please ?
Drinking tea
English Breakfasts
Drinking vasts amount of beer
Invading countries
Beating the countries after we've invaded them
Saving the French after they get invaded
Disliking the Germans
And being jolly damn nice, what oh, chip chip, tally oh

There is probably others.....

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Live and let live. icon_smile.gif
Ah those where the days.

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Quote: Leeeigh Leeeigh "Can you define what "British values" are please ?
Fair play, defending those less fortunate, tolerant, inclusive, to name a few.
Anyone wishing to share those and contribute are welcome for me.

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Quote: mishmash "Let's hope they get the message that we don't want them in our town!'"


I am sorry to inform you that some people do want the BNP in our town,in the 2008 local elections the BNP got 14.2% of the vote in Leigh South.You cannot speak for everyone.

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