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| Quote: maurice "As I was once told, opinions are like s and we all have one. We even have fans thinking that local wealthy individuals are queuing up to throw there hard earned in so that "fans" can abuse them when it goes wrong. Derek still owns the club and most owners take a back seat, especially when deciding to go again or not once TW are out of the way. All we can do as fans is buy tickets to show DB or the next owner that we have the fan base to support ambition'"
Taking a step backwards isn't a bad thing. I'll buy a ticket to support what's on the park, you can stick with your own opinion. Think we've all heard enough ambition talk off field over the past few years. Personally we are still in business and that's what counts.
DB's ultimate goal was SL. That challenge has been accomplished with failure to back it up last season. Don't start preaching what fans should do,when the damage done is still fresh in peoples minds.
If fans take a back seat, we have no club. I was always taught to lead by example, not hide. You again make speculative remarks, which are really nothing more than excuses to hide facts.
You want fans to back the ambition of the owner or future owner?
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Once again , we are in competition with Toronto and the other Championship clubs for 80 minutes a couple of times each season ( 3 with Widnes this year ) , we are however in competition with Wigan,Wire,Saints,ManU,Man City, Liverpool , Cinema's , bowling alleys and plenty of other stuff 52 weeks of the year'"
I understand that. The same thing can be said for any of the clubs/attractions you quote.
My point is that we are also in opposition with the Championship clubs at all times. What they do definitely influences our future - for sure, what Toronto, London, Halifax, Toulouse and Featherstone did in 2018, spectacularly influenced our future. As you have said, one more win would have secured a Qualifier position for us - but one more defeat for any of them would have achieved the same for us.
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| Quote: Alan "I understand that. The same thing can be said for any of the clubs/attractions you quote.
My point is that we are also in opposition with the Championship clubs at all times. What they do definitely influences our future - for sure, what Toronto, London, Halifax, Toulouse and Featherstone did in 2018, spectacularly influenced our future. As you have said, one more win would have secured a Qualifier position for us - but one more defeat for any of them would have achieved the same for us.'"
Very true Allan , and for the coaching staff and players , from Monday doing the previous games video session till final whistle on Sunday , their priority is that weeks opposition , however the rest of the club dont have influence on that , the only way they can influence that is to concentrate on raising the clubs profile and connection with the community , which in turn will raise the clubs income , providing the coaching staff with more and better resources the following year
As a town we don't and never will have the corporate support that the bigger towns will have , we do however have a 12,000 capacity stadium , which we should aim to fill every game no matter what level we are at , it's that simple
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| Quote: atomic "Taking a step backwards isn't a bad thing. I'll buy a ticket to support what's on the park, you can stick with your own opinion. Think we've all heard enough ambition talk off field over the past few years. Personally we are still in business and that's what counts.
DB's ultimate goal was SL. That challenge has been accomplished with failure to back it up last season. Don't start preaching what fans should do,when the damage done is still fresh in peoples minds.
If fans take a back seat, we have no club. I was always taught to lead by example, not hide. You again make speculative remarks, which are really nothing more than excuses to hide facts.
You want fans to back the ambition of the owner or future owner?'"
A few observations
1.2013 we were down to 1100 paying fans with a team challenging for top spot - the club failed to pay its PT players on a pittance and had a tax bill unpaid that was about to wind the club up
2. A rallying call went out for fans to provide some cash initially then direction to take the club forward - I do not recall you at those meetings and the level of cash asked wasn't great
3. The change in strategy and on field success drew in new fans, to such a level that our 2017 demotion drew a greater gate than our '82 success. Derek funded that period, he put his hand up then really put his hand up
4. Failure to Back it by DB in 2018 - that is just about the most clueless comment ever seen on this board. We entered the season odds on favourites because of how he backed up the relegation with the squad assembled - is that too hard for some to digest?
5. Due to the shocking failure of 2018 we needed to shed a million pound off the playing budget the option was administration, a position that would allow the creditors some tax benefits on what was owed, ie DB,
6. We failed to attract any serious investment after DB offered his shares and to wipe the debt off. I spoke to a few local lads who done good - not interested - common theme why put my hard earned in to attract abuse, rather sponsor games and have a box. Nobody puts in £1.4m in order to lose it like we did.
7. We are where we are. We have been here before and will be here again, the stakeholders of any sports club are its fans - that will never change - today I will renew our 2 season tickets whilst buying a 3rd as a Christmas present for a PT fan. At the weekend I spoke to a few lads about doing something away from the club which may or may not take off. I am a huge advocate of fan ownership, I believe we should have a share issue to spread the burden and create the financial clout to have a real pop at SL again because to do so will require significant input above what we can realistically achieve via gate and sponsorship.
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| Liked this post after the first paragraph
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| While a fan owned club is a brilliant idea , it is completely unworkable
Sorry Neil
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| Quote: GUBRATS "While a fan owned club is a brilliant idea , it is completely unworkable
Sorry Neil'"
What's a fan owned club? Is derek not a fan, where you not a fan?? We are stupid enough to do what we do because we are fans. I will assume that the confusion between a fan owned club and my share issue is one member one vote, because that's certainly not my suggestion, one share one vote just like any other company except you will be guaranteed not to make money.
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| Quote: Montyburns "Liked this post after the first paragraph
Agreed
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| Quote: maurice "What's a fan owned club? Is derek not a fan, where you not a fan?? We are stupid enough to do what we do because we are fans. I will assume that the confusion between a fan owned club and my share issue is one member one vote, because that's certainly not my suggestion, one share one vote just like any other company except you will be guaranteed not to make money.'"
Still unworkable
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Still unworkable'"
Yet selling out LSV is
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| Quote: maurice "Yet selling out LSV is'"
Not easy , but surely you agree it should be the aim ?
The more you fill it , the less any owner or share/stakeholder has to add , and indeed finding a benefactor becomes much easier , in fact , they'd be queuing up at the door
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| Quote: GUBRATS "Not easy , but surely you agree it should be the aim ?
The more you fill it , the less any owner or share/stakeholder has to add , and indeed finding a benefactor becomes much easier , in fact , they'd be queuing up at the door'"
Clueless
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| Quote: EVO105 "Clueless'"
Good argument
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| It's an observation not an argument
Clueless
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| Quote: EVO105 "It's an observation not an argument
Clueless'"
So you believe we shouldn't be trying to fill the stadium ?
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