Too much competition on Sundays to be a success. When RL switched from Saturdays to Sundays there was no competition. Football was never played on Sundays, shops closed all day on Sundays, pubs closed at 3 0'clock and didn't open until 7 o'clock, no pubs served food, you had the choice of watching "The Love Boat" or going to watch the Rugby. Now we have all day opening of pubs, the majority serve food, all the big football games are played on Sunday at 1 o'clock and 4 o'clock, the Trafford centre, shops open until 5 o'clock, sport on 24hr tv from around the world, summer rugby clashing with family bbqs etc,etc,etc.

And we only have two teams this side of the pennines. What would I like to do on a Friday night let me see drive across the M62 urrrr nope. Maybe we should just forget away fans and have a home crowd only. That might allow us to have fewer stewards maybe a good cost cutting exercise.

Not worth bothering about away fans until they start bringing significant numbers - even an extra hundred home fans on a Friday night would wipe out the entire away support of most clubs. Having said that, we take similar numbers away from home on a Thursday night as we do on a Sunday so in reality it won't make much difference to the away support anyroad when bearing that in mind.

On the ' when to play ' issue, can I throw Saturday tea time into the mix, that would be my preffered option

And then we've got "it clashes with X Factor", "my night at the pub", "the Super League game is on" in the mix. Can't win whichever way. Let's see how the Friday night's go (though worth mentioning it's a while until one of those as well!).

The lack of incentives to buy season tickets leaves us at the mercy of a million excuses/reasons why people can't/ won't buy match day tickets. I think on occasions we will go close to 1k sadly!

Don't see why that would be the case Ste when in reality we're only a couple of hundred season tickets down on last year.

6.15pm Saturday night.
Up against the weakest TV SL fixture and no live football match (if indeed they still show it live on Saturdays - not too up on what SKY show), allows away support to get here , allows young familys to come , allows people to do things and still get back for the game, allows those who don't live within 2 miles to get there easily, allows people to watch the football then watch the RL, allows a majority of people to get home from work / be off work then go to the game, allows the players to play the game in decent temperatures in summer, can be used as a 'day out' by putting other events on at /near the ground on the day (as per Australian RL fixtures).

Of course there will be people who prefer other dates and I'm sure everyone has a favourite kick off day / time but the above does seem to tick a lot of boxes in terms of what the club needs.

Away support is a ' either or ' situation , you either ignore them completely ( the easy lazy option ) , OR you embrace them , you make it as easy and as attractive as possible for them to attend no matter what day you play , having seen your posts on the Fax site today Matt, you are aware that they put the Fev fans in their own part of the Shay, yes there were other reasonsfor it ( which nobody needs to expand upon ) but it did apparently result in an improved atmosphere at the match

Ultimatly you have to decide what you are trying to achieve, and what is the best way to achieve it, bearing in mind there is no magic wand that will solve our problems, just vision, hard work and taking the odd risk or two

Sometimes you can end up being scared of doing anything in case you make your current situation slightly worse, almost ' frozen' with fear, you have to have the courage to overcome your fear, you take your leap of faith

Don't disagree with that, but away support in this league is always a pretty constant figure and doesn't seem to increase much even for play-off games so I'd rather we concentrated on whatever measures we can to attract home fans first of all.

TBH I don't think we've done too bad for away support thus far when you consider what we saw / have seen in past seasons, a couple of coaches from Barrow and 1 from Hunslet (plus fans in Cars / on public transport) is not too bad for lower league RL in the current set up.

No more or less than both clubs have always brought to be honest Jenky - 200ish from Barrow, maybe 100-150 (if we're being generous) from Hunslet. Bar Halifax, Fev and I suppose Swinton, it's not going to get any higher.