CS gas attack was an apparently random attack on a bar on a scooter rally - Long Bar at Great Yarmouth in the late 80s, the other two were when a meeting I'd been taken along to got turned over as they didn't like what was being said.
Both were documented in the press at the time, the Long Bar in Scootering magazine and the others in the local press at the time.

Nik, a good friend of mine does the scooter thing and tells tale of similar. Dont get him on race and religeon when he's got his ska head on



The reason for asking is I have known a few far left people who have gone to 'events' and come off worse. They are as bad as the others in my opinion. Their thirst for outright anarchy far overshadowed any political statement they were trying to make.

Believe it or not, one of them is vegetarian, not because of his animal liberation beleifs, but simply because Hitler was.

He is in fairness quite a mixed up individual.

1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants

2) people coming in from established EU countries aren't immigrants, because the EU is a single economic block. You are as entitled to go to spain or france to work, where you won't be classed as an immigrant either.

3) people coming from new accession EU countries have to live here for 3 years before being entitled to benefits, housing, or other perks like a cap on fees at universities

4) people working for less than minimum wage and undercutting local rates of pay are doing so illegally, whether immigrants or not. its their bosses who are cheating the system, and the traditional view would be that those workers themselves are being massvely and illegally exploited

5) people coming from outside the EU are not entitled to anything.

6) asylum seekers aren't entitled to anything and aren't allowed to work, either. The state does house and feed them at subsistence level while examining their cases. if they are granted asylum they are allowed to stay and join the benefit queue like everyone else. if not, they have to leave, and will be deported with complulsion if they don't leave voluntarily

7) asylum seekers who can be shown to have come to the UK from another safe country where they could have claimed asylum will be removed to that country of passage.



we were all happy to ride the economic boom on the back of cheap polish labour. Now the economy is gone to pot and jobs are on the line, it's a simple option to blame immigration. in practice it's nothing to do with immigration. we live in a globl economy, and those workers would more like be undercutting our jobs if they DIDN'T work within our system, but instead were able to work in lower-paid, less regulased, less safe environments back home.

9) its also the case that labour follows prosperity, and we've benefitted just as much as we've lost out. My mate's dad used to be an oil worker in Lybia, ffs. And does nobody remember Auf Wiedersehen, Pet?

10) Great Britain is an immigrant island. always has been. I hope it always will be

11) mutt you almost certainly wouldn't be allowed to settle in the USA or Australia. if you think you have something positive to offer society, it's clearly their loss. but if overseas workers have something to offer our society, then preventing their coming here is our loss.

12) last, a lighthearted note.. an old PM of New Zealand once said he was happy for any kiwis who wanted to move to Australia to do so, as it would increase the average IQ of both countries.

Careful W71 - you're letting the truth get in the way of a good whinge. I don't think that's allowed on here!!

Thanks for this post and point 12 in particular . I think that is a great thing to say by any politician. I,m still chuckling about it.

Quote Wembley71="Wembley71"1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants.'" Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/

Quote Wembley71="Wembley71"1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants.'" Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/

Quote Alexs Dad="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I know this sounds like petty semantics, but you do realise that there is a difference between the terms [iimmigrant[/i and [iasylum seeker[/i?

Quote Alexs Dad="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I know this sounds like petty semantics, but you do realise that there is a difference between the terms [iimmigrant[/i and [iasylum seeker[/i?

Listen, I know someone who's father unfortunatly passed away but he was the carer for his wife and this persons mother. She lived a good distance away from any immediate family and was looking for support to due to the circumstances.

What did they as a family get offered after many meetings?

SWEET FA!!



Both herself and her husband had worked all their life, paid their dues and in her hour of need all the social services were after was her money and her house to secure her a place in a care home, not ensuring that in the immediate future she got the assistance she so badly needed.

The more you have, the more you pay and the less you get back from this Goverment.

Its a f00king joke

Why should someone who has worked all their life and paid everything that has been asked be forced to give up what they have to gain some support when it is most needed. Yet some of these jokers who come over here get everything they need and then some to the point that they need not work, some also decide to become professional babymaking machines such is the lucrative nature of that particular profession!!!

At times you can be a second class citizen in this country if your born and bred here.

I had the pleasure of visiting Tottenham recently with 3 business colleagues and all 4 of us said the same...............are we in the UK or are we in another country because we felt so out of place.

Rant over.

Quote Alexs Dad="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I,m sorry to sound like a soft touch but an Asylum seeker and an immigrant are not the same thing. Aren,t asylum seekers held in detention centres until their cases are looked into ? I honestly think they are but there are people no doubt who do and will abscond. In the scheme of things those allowances would hardly go far enough for anyone to live the life of Reilly. Can you imagine living in a country with an undemocratic government, usually based on a belief in a mythical being, with no hope and living in fear for whatever reason every day of your life. No wonder they want asylum. I realise this is rather simplistic and some do tell lies but we are not the only country that accepts asylum seakers. At the end of the day we are bound to get some false asylum seekers and some lazy no account immigrants. Its the price we pay for being a civilised democratic country. Where would you rather live here or in Africa for eg ? Altruism, as a nation, will pay dividends. Over to those who disagree.

Quote Alexs Dad="Alexs Dad"Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/'" I,m sorry to sound like a soft touch but an Asylum seeker and an immigrant are not the same thing. Aren,t asylum seekers held in detention centres until their cases are looked into ? I honestly think they are but there are people no doubt who do and will abscond. In the scheme of things those allowances would hardly go far enough for anyone to live the life of Reilly. Can you imagine living in a country with an undemocratic government, usually based on a belief in a mythical being, with no hope and living in fear for whatever reason every day of your life. No wonder they want asylum. I realise this is rather simplistic and some do tell lies but we are not the only country that accepts asylum seakers. At the end of the day we are bound to get some false asylum seekers and some lazy no account immigrants. Its the price we pay for being a civilised democratic country. Where would you rather live here or in Africa for eg ? Altruism, as a nation, will pay dividends. Over to those who disagree.

People are not grasping this - the only people who get any sort of special treatment are asylum seekers, and they have to meet some very stringent criteria to get the help they deserve.

Every other problem is one that is much a problem amongst white British as it is amongst those from other countries. Those issues need dealing with, but the solutions will affect all and not just the foreign.

Don't let xenophobia cloud your judgement. This country has a lot of problems, but very few of those problems are caused by immigrants.

Why did you have to travel so far?

You can have the same experience locally

GRASP THIS...........................

Walk round Leigh Town centre anyday of the week with your EYES OPEN.

Seriously just take the time to do it, collect your thoughts on what you see, stand outside the general post office and again collect your thoughts on what you see..........................then the final frontier!!

Spend 30 minutes (If you can stand it) in ANY town centre bookmakers and the penny will drop.

If you get the chance catch up with our MP and ask him his thoughts, he'll tell you they all work nights or have rich families in their native land transfering money on a regular basis in to their TSB accounts!!