That's another good point John.

We should mate hoping for a good summer on pitch and off it. Less stormy weather. Was bloody soaked this afternoon.

That's true j.c. but does anyone think sky want that? How much do they get from the premier sports deal? I would bet its more than nowt and that any div 2 would be on there and get £0 per team.

Just a quick one before bed.

Good point. The current level of debt is very significant and will play its part in any takeover. The debt level dependant how great could be delt with within a buisness plan potentially with payment plans to creditors and HMRC if not out of control. One things for sure there is no doubt the current and historic debt renders the existing shares of SCL completely worthless so the people who own then should be more than willing to sign them over.

In reality the only benifit to taking over the existing Ltd company SCL would be to secure the boxes that we have already ticked in relation to a SL bid.

I think reality is we're not heading to SL any time soon though some will not like me for saying this, so maybe the current board switching off the life suport would not be a bad thing and make it easy to get a new company with a new share allocation to sell out to fans with starting from scratch I.e Widnes.

We are going into fine detail here and into things that need people far wiser than me to deal with but I can bring the people who deal with these issues to the table as and when required indeed one person who is capable of advising on this has contacted me today to pledge help.

Lots of ifs buts and maybes and lots of food for thought.

We got 750 quid from premier sports last year I was told.

A real slap in the face.

The ownership of the club is not the problem , it is the running of the club that is , so just changing the ownership solves nothing, then just having different people making the same mistakes achieves nothing

deep down i dont believe they want two leagues of ten professional clubs,i just think they want the so called elite clubs to receive more money and let the rest fend for themselves, at least for the last two years of the current sky deal

Agreed mate.

That's why it needs the right people on board who have learned from mistakes of the past and have entusiasm and new energy and ideas and most of all ability to finance certain things to get the ball rolling. The fan putting in 10 quid is every bit as important as the local buisness willing to invest thousands in a plan like this without either one it won't happen.

I've seen you post for a few months now and it seems you have history with the club it seems many people do but cards on table would you back this? Do you see potential in a fan owned club? In your opinion could it work?

I am genuinely intrested in your reply to this post.

Thanks.

No, it was hard enough with 7 shareholders, having 1,000 would be impossible, all IMO of course

Fair comment and that's why I asked as you are a voice of experience it seems.

My only comment would be 1000+ people sharing the same goal dream and vision having a vested intrest in a long term future with realistic ambitions may be a big animal to have driving the club via a elected board. Would also form the basis of longer term growth plan to build a comunity driven club on the back of rather than just having outright owners with differing view points and varying levels of intrest/ input?

A strong board and local buisness suport to serve the fan ownership could work and shouldn't be dismissed IMO.

You asked, I replied honestly, the problem you will have is every decision you make will upset at least 40% of your shareholders, sometimes 70/80 % , eventually you will upset enough of them enough times for them to stop supporting you financially

You state new people who will learn from past mistakes, history and my experience tells me new people just make the same mistakes along with a whole load of new ones , especially when they are ' successful businessmen ' as quite often their ego's get in the way, that is a major part of the current problems at the club , there is no normal business experience that can prepare for running a sports club , success breeds arrogance, and that arrogance can and will prevent the right things being done

Once again, my opinion after many years of thought on the subject and several years of direct involvement seeing mistakes being made

A bit of advice, dont seek the advice of those that have succeeded at bigger clubs , get it from those that failed

Well there's a first - I actually agree with Starbug!! 3.408203125:5