Selfridges is on Fire in Manchester.
They are just kids. Why can't they just nip it in the bud instead of glorying it by letting it continue and the stary eyed thick gets watching on TV want to join in.

I'm just in a state of shock. Absolutely appalled and embarrassed. I thought we were better than this. Really can't see it being long before it spreads even closer to home.

stick to non specifics and I won't lock it keep it general though, bear in mind there are other places for politics though

Dig yer ' Elmit ' out Fred , you're needed back out there , take the ' Mop ' with you as well , frighten the little buggers to death will Timmy

Another update....
It's all going off in Standish! hospice shop has been done over.......police are looking for a man in an old ladies dressing gown, a wigan rugby wembley 85 hat, a ping golf glove on his left hand carrying a shoe box full of smash hits tapes!

Quite simply a government without leadership and a police force without the power to stop these crimes = the last few days of mayhem in this country.

Show footage of the police wading in and knocking ten bells out of these scum bags and when they have done that go round and knock ten bells out of their fathers for raising such scum.

Just maybe then when these scum bags wake up tomorrow they might think twice of causing mayhem in our great cities and towns.

Britain in 2011 under this leadership is a shambles!!

It needs sorting asap. Vigilante's and the army will get it sorted sharpish.

Slap a curfew on the country..Any gangs of youths out after 10pm..beat them with sticks

Various reports i read state that the gangs were organised (especially in Manchester last night), with many participants in their pre teans. Although they are scum, just what type of person has raised these individuals, so they might wander around causing wanton destruction and thieving their way through our cities. For me its time parents actually started taking responsibility for their kids, ie make them responsible and therefore be held liable for the behavour of their children. I also believe its nothing to do with the 'kids have nothing to do excuse', its all to do with greed and following a leader, the something for nothing mentality

I can honestly say that even at their ages now, 22, 20 and 12 I know where all my kids are all the time and always have done, they respect us enough to always let me know where they are, the lads even now at their ages.
These kids who are causing the bother, their parents are probably telling them what to bring back with them. Time parents are made accountable for their kids behaviour.

Becuase just like all the scum on benefits who don't need t, they know the system!

The police have no power to do anything, if they step out of line they will be the ones getting sued for brutality. they need to forget about it and wade in with the batons & rubber bullets, they would soon stop!

BBC Breakfast this morning already have someone on telling people how if they can prove it was a riot they can sue the police for any damage!! Absolutley insane!!

We now have three maybe four generations of famillies that have only experienced being jobless and and in poverty. Criminality is rife in these areas, it's all they know. They haven't been brought up they have been left to survive on the streets. When I have been filming through the night in town I have seen groups of kids as young a 5 and 6 out at 3 and 4 in the morning. Being a criminal is their job. They don't mind getting sent down because it gives them a break from their everyday lives. Look at the pictures of the looters they are wearing £300 North Face jackets and the best trainers. Listening to one lad on the radio he was saying that the stuff they took from the shops was just dumped around the corner. He was saying that this was a test the next they will converge en masse on a bank or a bookies or a race course. Don't like strong arm police tactics as I used to go to the festivals before Mrs Thatcher broke the very peacefull convoy but they need to smash these groups and in the mean time the government needs to realise that there is a major problem with the inner city estates were people have no way to make anything of themselves and can only survive by being in a criminal gang.

Sod the rubber bullets get the army in there with real bullets that would soon stop them.

The audio of 2 girls being interviewed on beeb website where they are bragging about what was going on while they was drinking stolen bottles of wine, laughing about taking on the police and the rich businesses and how much fun it was.

Then you had a guy sat in his van outside his completely looted shop in tears as his business he had built over the years and worked hard for was gone and he didn't know what he would do.

Also the big building/business in Croydon that survived 2 world wars and depressions of 30's and 80's, and it was burned to the ground.

I do think more should be focused on making these kids parents to take responsibility for where their kids are. I will not accept that being poor and having no job is any excuse to give these kids for what they do.