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| Quote: atomic "Taking a step backwards isn't a bad thing. I'll buy a ticket to support what's on the park, you can stick with your own opinion. Think we've all heard enough ambition talk off field over the past few years. Personally we are still in business and that's what counts.
DB's ultimate goal was SL. That challenge has been accomplished with failure to back it up last season. Don't start preaching what fans should do,when the damage done is still fresh in peoples minds.
If fans take a back seat, we have no club. I was always taught to lead by example, not hide. You again make speculative remarks, which are really nothing more than excuses to hide facts.
You want fans to back the ambition of the owner or future owner?'"
A few observations
1.2013 we were down to 1100 paying fans with a team challenging for top spot - the club failed to pay its PT players on a pittance and had a tax bill unpaid that was about to wind the club up
2. A rallying call went out for fans to provide some cash initially then direction to take the club forward - I do not recall you at those meetings and the level of cash asked wasn't great
3. The change in strategy and on field success drew in new fans, to such a level that our 2017 demotion drew a greater gate than our '82 success. Derek funded that period, he put his hand up then really put his hand up
4. Failure to Back it by DB in 2018 - that is just about the most clueless comment ever seen on this board. We entered the season odds on favourites because of how he backed up the relegation with the squad assembled - is that too hard for some to digest?
5. Due to the shocking failure of 2018 we needed to shed a million pound off the playing budget the option was administration, a position that would allow the creditors some tax benefits on what was owed, ie DB,
6. We failed to attract any serious investment after DB offered his shares and to wipe the debt off. I spoke to a few local lads who done good - not interested - common theme why put my hard earned in to attract abuse, rather sponsor games and have a box. Nobody puts in £1.4m in order to lose it like we did.
7. We are where we are. We have been here before and will be here again, the stakeholders of any sports club are its fans - that will never change - today I will renew our 2 season tickets whilst buying a 3rd as a Christmas present for a PT fan. At the weekend I spoke to a few lads about doing something away from the club which may or may not take off. I am a huge advocate of fan ownership, I believe we should have a share issue to spread the burden and create the financial clout to have a real pop at SL again because to do so will require significant input above what we can realistically achieve via gate and sponsorship.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Precisely Glow, and I know where you are coming from with that statement, BUT and it is a big BUT Leigh Centurions is not DB's core buisness, it does not make him his fortune, it is essentially his pastime, he does not need to gift his money to the club, he could easily race those fast cars he likes, play the worlds most exculsive golf courses or anything else he desires up to his budget limit he invested in the club, it was/is essentially his hobby.
Regarding his staff, apart from the playing roster his two most important employees were his coach and DoR, without contradiction from anyone I will argue till the cows come home, that those appointments and loyalty to them by DB have put the club in the predicament we are in today.
I don't know your company or even the size of it, but in a completely different way to your Chairman, I had a company of some 50 employees but I was "hands on" avaiable 24/7 lets say nose to the grindstone, which I felt I needed to be and was involved in most of those aspects you say owner's need not get involved in!'"
Good morning Harry,
The company I work for also has 50 employees, the chairman owns several companies in a variety of business fields but mainly steel industry, and he doesn’t ‘work’ in any of them, he obviously feels he can leave it to the experts in those industries.
You felt you needed a hands on approach in your company so be it that’s your choice, but as you say we aren’t talking about DB’s main business here, how much of an expert is he in RL or the entertainment industry?
I’ve stood on the terrace watching Leigh now for over 50 years, I’ve coached LMR under 8-10’s, and played a sheep in St Gabriel’s nativity play for 3 years running, if I won the Euro lottery tonight and bought Leigh RL would you all have confidence in me?
Joking a side, I should add at this point I don’t know DB, and I’ve said it before I’m grateful for what he has done investing in Leigh RL but I don’t necessarily agree with some of his comments/actions.
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| Quote: glow "Good morning Harry,
The company I work for also has 50 employees, the chairman owns several companies in a variety of business fields but mainly steel industry, and he doesn’t ‘work’ in any of them, he obviously feels he can leave it to the experts in those industries.
You felt you needed a hands on approach in your company so be it that’s your choice, but as you say we aren’t talking about DB’s main business here, how much of an expert is he in RL or the entertainment industry?
I’ve stood on the terrace watching Leigh now for over 50 years, I’ve coached LMR under 8-10’s, and played a sheep in St Gabriel’s nativity play for 3 years running, if I won the Euro lottery tonight and bought Leigh RL would you all have confidence in me?
Hi Glow, thank you for your response, firstly and not boasting (if indeed it can be construed as a boast) I will trump you as a speccy, 1959 first visit to Hilton Park as a 6 year old with my Dad and going ever since, secondly coached over the water from LMR 13 to 16's at the East, but you do me in your thespian activities, my one and only sojourn on the 'boards' was in 1960 as a policeman in St Jo'es pantomime.
Now, if you won the lottery and good luck with that, having aquired over 50 years expierence of this great game, and you invested a substantial amount into the club, do you expect you could discipline yourself enough not to get involved in anything you deemed you maybe could influence to the betterment, for DB would never purposefully suggest anything in the negative sense.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Hi Glow, thank you for your response, firstly and not boasting (if indeed it can be construed as a boast) I will trump you as a speccy, 1959 first visit to Hilton Park as a 6 year old with my Dad and going ever since, secondly coached over the water from LMR 13 to 16's at the East, but you do me in your thespian activities, my one and only sojourn on the 'boards' was in 1960 as a policeman in St Jo'es pantomime.
Now, if you won the lottery and good luck with that, having aquired over 50 years expierence of this great game, and you invested a substantial amount into the club, do you expect you could discipline yourself enough not to get involved in anything you deemed you maybe could influence to the betterment, for DB would never purposefully suggest anything in the negative sense.'"
My involvement should I win , would be far less than what I understand DB’s has previously been, but I’ve no doubt he has done what he feels was the best course of action.
Myself I would like to think I would be disciplined enough to avoid day to day issues, I would of course ask questions with regards to how wisely my money was being spent and expect certain results/targets to be achieved both on and off the field.
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| Quote: Harry Stottle "Hi Glow, thank you for your response, firstly and not boasting (if indeed it can be construed as a boast) I will trump you as a speccy, 1959 first visit to Hilton Park as a 6 year old with my Dad and going ever since, secondly coached over the water from LMR 13 to 16's at the East, but you do me in your thespian activities, my one and only sojourn on the 'boards' was in 1960 as a policeman in St Jo'es pantomime.
Now, if you won the lottery and good luck with that, having aquired over 50 years expierence of this great game, and you invested a substantial amount into the club, do you expect you could discipline yourself enough not to get involved in anything you deemed you maybe could influence to the betterment, for DB would never purposefully suggest anything in the negative sense.'"
Failure takes many different routes with people. This could end up with DB being the golden child again.
Its down to what happens on that field of play,at the end of the day.
The passion he showed with his wallet is firmly back on the fans.
The challenges ahead we can't comment on, as we've not seen this squad play.
But either way, failure or some success will still leave DB in a strong position.
His reversal of heart (as within his statement) is based upon failure/success now. As fans we need to challenge that by simply putting bums on seats and supporting the new squad and staff in place.
Lets crack on, and give him a show..
Regardless of age, what you know or experience, the challenge is set..
Lets go rip it up..
PS. I'll be in North Stand with my prawn sandwiches DB if you want a pint.. Thanks for the dispensation..
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| As I've pointed out before , we really have been spoilt in one way over recent (20) years , our win rate must be easily the highest of any RL club probably in the world
Sometimes that can create an expectation above what is reasonable
No pressure ( other than to avoid relegation ) and a season to enjoy , including the more than average nunber of defeats we will suffer
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