You need everything, SL/CH, it doesn't matter what league you play in, of course you need to have a structure as your baseline, lots of pre-trained moves.. But the fundamental point, which we do not have, is you must have the freedom to throw them all out of window and play what is in front of us. Riddy was bollocked for ignoring the 'gameplan', for making a break and scoring in fact.

You have to remember that we got relegated last season, for whatever you want to say Jukes failed. Once the initial 'unknown' of us wore off we became predictable and very easy to play against. Defend the well, wait for the turn over.

The crux of the problem with Jukes is, not only does he hate anyone ignoring the gameplan, the gameplan could be written on the back of a fag packet.. We have at most 5 set moves, combine those two we are utterly predictable.

Did you see any progression last season? Did you see us trying new things once we started to struggle? We play the exact same way we did game 1 of SL even now. Hes said it himself at the Q + A... Its a coach without ideas.

Doesn't help he has Cunningham throwing in his two penny's worth, and his coaching knowledge is limited to the first 5 yards behind the ruck and nothing else.

I understand he's not had good service but how many other wingers in the game score trys on their own ability in broken play without relying on service,how many breaks has he made on kick returns ect because in nearly 3 seasons I can't remember many,yes he works hard and comes in to help the forwards out but sorry I think has a full time team I want more than a winger just taking drives in

Harold, you appear to be another one who hasn't yet come to grips with modern-day RL! (see my reply on the need not to gain ground from penalty kicks) In the 'tactics' we employ, the winger's sole job is to run the ball hard from dummy half, thus saving the forwards' energy, so that they can dominate and tire the opposition, and run the points in, during the second half. Oh, hang on a minute............................

Probably one of the reasons we dont see expansive play,as we dont have the pace to match that stlye 40/50m out. Our style (if you can call it that at present) is set for the likes of Dawson to score from 5/10m out,but he's just not getting the service at that range.

Nice to see 40/50m trys, but most are one offs these days as precedence is set on getting to the scoring zone and then use them. All very pedicatable at present.

Without any expansiveness of play teams are predictable we seem to be playing a bad version of Aussie rugby. There is also the issues of entertaining the fans and letting the players express themselves there should be space in a good team for this. Coaches need to free the players to play what they see and show a bit of belief in them.

Without a doubt. The thing for me is and this is were the coaching side of it fails. They don't have an answer in real time. They set the stall out,but don't change a thing.