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Quote: Michael_Ward "Would you like to expand on that?

I see is a proven professional that is giving their time for free to our club. Whilst I'd like to see someone more experienced in charge, I don't see how anything Keith Freer has done at Leigh Centurions deserves the names you have labelled him with.'"


I agree, But it is time for change.

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24 players trained Saturday morning John how many do you want in a squadi?

As for our attempt ion SL did I not warn it would rip the heart out of the club? we should have took the money and run with a very young squad, but Hi Ho hindsights is a great gift.
As for going into Administration I would guess that most of the debt is owed to local people/companies like myself who have lost money to Leigh RFC in the past, well some of us cant afford to keep losing money the result will be that the club cant get local people to service the club so not only do they lose local trust they lose local support.

Crilly Park here we come icon_wink.gif (but I bet they wouldn't have us icon_smile.gif )

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Quote: FredParky "24 players trained Saturday morning John how many do you want in a squadi?

As for our attempt ion SL did I not warn it would rip the heart out of the club? we should have took the money and run with a very young squad, but Hi Ho hindsights is a great gift.
As for going into Administration I would guess that most of the debt is owed to local people/companies like myself who have lost money to Leigh RFC in the past, well some of us cant afford to keep losing money the result will be that the club cant get local people to service the club so not only do they lose local trust they lose local support.

Crilly Park here we come
Debtors like yourself Fred should be the absolute priority to pay no matter which way things go. The work you do is instrumental in selling the club to the public and will be even more so in the future.

Whoever takes operational control of the buisness day to day going forward needs to be making two immediate priorities IMO first target the RFL seeking clarity were posible on the league format changes and get an indicator on feelings towards a new start under new people. No punches should be pulled in these conversations and reminders of just how the franchise system has not worked and how they have bailed out Bradford, London etc down the years should be made. Secondly to LSV time to get tough with them, i.e we will no longer Honour the existing agreements and need to renegotiate without any further delay. If the fans are only going to come out in numbers less than 2k then let's take the stadium on a similar basis to Swinton and other than match days relocate completley?

I await the you can't do this and can't do that mob but I don't accept that mentality in buisness the people that do do and if they don't they will at least get the firm answers they need to make an acurate judgement on the future.

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Quote: DemonUK "I wasn't having a dig either Keith. Before Arthur came in I am pretty sure the cash at bank was an overrdraft of a quarter of a million. I am sure we are at our current limit with the bank but isn't that around 80-100k which KF and PC have guaranteed.

I am a little fed up of some of the untruths appearing on here and being bandied around the town. Even today two contradictory statements appeared one after the other, both apparently from good sources.

I am sure you agree we should be trying to save the club rather than destroy it. If we are on the wrong side of the line at The end of 2014 (ie in Champ 1) then we might as well give up. With what is possibly happening we need to be in the top 10 of the Championship at The end of 2014. Should be straightforward as long as they get sorted soon and we avoid administration.'"


A companies liabilities can't simply just be gauged by its over draught unfortunately.

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I wonder how the creditors would vote on the option of capitalise to shares or admin.

I have said many times DL's and PG's should be write offs and not to be expected back, what would the accounts look like if LISA had made its donations as Loans over the years?

We have potentially exciting times ahead again in RL, WE MUST NOT BE SAT AT THE LOWEST TABLE AGAIN

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Quote: maurice "I wonder how the creditors would vote on the option of capitalise to shares or admin.

I have said many times DL's and PG's should be write offs and not to be expected back, what would the accounts look like if LISA had made its donations as Loans over the years?

We have potentially exciting times ahead again in RL, WE MUST NOT BE SAT AT THE LOWEST TABLE AGAIN'"


Exactly.

This is why I've maintained from day one shareholders either need to put up capital for the buisness they own to take it forward or hand back and walk away. The club lets be right is property of the town and it's fans they are after all only custodians.

Putting aside current debt/ cash flow issues If 100% share capital was made available it makes the club a completley different proposition to potential new directors and investors.

Its time for real transparency the nonesense spoken on GMR Thursday night it is misleading fans to believe its just a cash flow issue in reality the buisness has to be seriously under capitalised if it can't meet it's liabilities (i.e cant pay its staff or creditors) and its already been made public that it was budgeted incorrectly.

If you are the chairman and responsible for the finances and budgets as a director of a Ltd company that just a quarter of the way into a buisness plan can't meet it's liabilities then you are either a poor businessman or have suffered major unforeseen bad debt or exceptional circumstances. The club for all we know may even be trading insolvent As i type i do not know.

Income vs expenditure is it really that difficult??

Rather than gambling on income from friendlies and income from gates that may never happen budget right from day one and only spend what we can afford to spend. Be honest up front with fans give them honest expectations and tell them were running with a low budget squad etc as that's all we can afford at this point in time. Be honest with LSV demonstrate we can't afford to be there and either renegotiate or take appropriate action to serve notice of intention to leave and make contingencies.

It's like the Wigan partnership issue be honest come out and tell people we can't afford at this point in time as a buisness not to be associated with Wigan and explain the buisness benifits from the agreement instead of painting a picture that most see through. Im not saying all will buy into it some still won't like it and won't come but I'd like to believe the majority would respect the honesty and could crowds really have been much worse anyway???

It's about running it like a buisness all I hear is sports clubs are not like your every day buisness but the same principles apply.

People refer to the Wigan money this should be a bonus not a life saver!!!! what happens if we'd drawn say London away and Derek B hadn't done what he's done to bail us out???

Full marks to Derek But he may have only prolonged the inevitable.

Time will tell.

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