but has allways carried on regardless.As for strength,have him in the gym with Hobbo and Cooky and youl be suprised who comes out on top!Like Jock he works tirelessly in midfield,but his efforts go unnoticed and unapreciated.Yes I can think of loads of weaker props at this level and lazier and gutless ones to!!!BUT THEY DONT GET SINGLED OUT BY THEIR OWN FANS!

Agree with that he can drag 3 or 4 forwards in the middle so sticking him out wide running at a centre when in attack he could be devastaing especially close to the line, problem is if we put him at second row which prop would give the same go forward as he does?

I think the criticism of morrison is ridiculous! not a forward on the team helps us get a roll on with a quick PTB as he does! he takes it up hard, finds the floor, and plays it quick, and as we know, McConnell revels in this style of play! But, we also nead a tackle breaking front rower to compliment the lightweight morrison i feel, and Hobson is not it. Maybe chris hill in the front row? but i agree that he was also very effective out wide! On the whole, i feel that we are seriously lacking confidence, giving away soft tries is hard to watch as a fan, but can you imagine what it feels like as a player? working as hard as you can all week on such aspects of the game, then having a veteran prop hit, spin and dump the ball beside the sticks as did dickens? or having the opposition winger pick your pocket because you switched off for a minute as happened to rudd? and then you come home and read some of the stuff on here! our team is dominated by youth, which as anybody in the game worth listening to brings inconsistency, add to the fact your playing in a new stadium, with a new coach in his first FULL season in charge topped off by the fact that the majority of your team-mates are new to you this season! it takes time, and yes, at the moment we are poor, but i really think that this group of players, given time beyond the first 7 games of the championship season, will develop.

I'm sorry, but Cookson just does not look fit enough to play at the moment. Meekin looks an excellent prospect.

As I have already admitted to on this thread I may not have given enough credit to Mike Morrison's quick PTB, perhaps being guilty of also overlooking the fact that Neil Kelly may have told Morrison to find the floor quickly and if so I will apologise for that comment. One thing I will never do is question the lad's endeavour and work ethic nor his commitment, which are all excellent. We have some outstanding young prospects in Meekin, Morrison and Jackson. However I made an observation on a fansforum that for me Leigh were currently lacking an injection of serious grunt, someone who can power us beyond the advantage line and for that someone to pack down alongside Jock and IMHO Chris Hill in the front row. Sorry if that upsets you, but that is my view.

As an aside Ellery Hanley had no place in his St.Helens team for Tommy Martyn who was very much surplus to requirement but Hanley won Saints a SL GF, Ian Milward then came along and installed Tommy Martyn as an integral cog of his St.Helens team and he to won a SL GF... Now who was right and who was wrong about Tommy Martyn? - It all boils down to [iOPINIONS.[/i

Simple equation

9 times out of 10 the team that does the most offloads in a game wins

If you dont keep the ball alive you are easy to defend against

Yep saints messed a few up on Friday and lost 50 yards and then the match

But that was their second defeat in 27 league matches

Forwards , skills , in the same sentance

Wash your mouth out Parkinson , Forwards are nothing more than mindless meat used to soften up the opposition for the real skilled players to play

True. I'm all for players offloading, but we seem to be trying to force offloads in ridiculous situations at the moment. There is little gain in just dropping the ball on the floor, with a scramble ensuing, to see who comes up with possession!

It's a definite skill (offloading correctly) - can it be coached, Keith, or do players possess it naturally?

I once saw Bill Robinson run 25 yards at Halifax and score, take it from me, that was feat!!

Might not have seen much of the ball however, the 'Try' of the week in this weeks league express, including SL teams ! was scored by Leigh, with Hill getting an honorable mention!, sounds like good coaching to me or, is that good players?