would you drop him then and if yes who for

I thought Penny was one of our better players tonight.

Read my post again when your a bit calmer.Didn't say it wins matches did I?Just making the point that desire + passion goes a long way in accepting defeat when the effort is there.

So, rather than identify where he thinks our frailties lay, "Wirefan" would rather pick on a player who scores two well taken tries. Scapegoattastic.

Keep up the "good work"

Compared to 2011 team
Brett Hodgson F
Chris Riley
Matt King
Chris Bridge
Joel Monaghan
Lee Briers
Richard Myler
Adrian Morley
Michael Monaghan
Garreth Carvell
Louis Anderson
Ben Westwood
Ben Harrison possibly on form
Mickey Higham
Jon Clarke
Paul Wood
Simon Grix
Michael Cooper

Too many people seem to be stuck rating Penny from his last stint with us.

Clarke was class, sandow kicked better in 80 mins than seen all season, hill dependable, penny always a threat, but Leeds were on fire,,,and ur not putting it out with displays like we're on show,,

Philbin blowing, welcome to top 4 football,
Toby king was not fit strapped up to hilt,
George king, way off pace back from injury
Rhys Evan same as above,
Ratchford is not a full back, terrible first half,
Dwyer not doing it
Asotasi on plane home,
So we got what the strength of the team deserved,,it's been mentioned tonight about or conditioning coaches,, there were players out there tonigh who were not physically able to play a game plan,, strapped to the hilt,,

Penny being one of our better players *tonight* does not make him good enough for where we want to be and that's the point I am making.

Penny vs Hall or Briscoe. Big yawning gap in standard from where we are to where we need to be.

Next year we'll likely go with Lineham and Russell on the wings which is a far better prospect as far as I'm concerned.

Our problem is we've been treading water for a couple of years, a few seasons ago we came top of the league, 13 points ahead of Leeds, since then we've let go of international players and given youth a chance, Leeds have been drafting in better players and here we are a few seasons down the line and their team is the best in the league and ours is getting by. I think now in hindsight the penny has dropped with the management and we are all over any decent player going. I'd write off this season but a couple of fresh forwards we could be the best again

did you see lineham at cas

No and I believe he had a shocker but from what I've seen of him generally, he's a big upgrade

Penny is a winger.
At the moment, he's our only winger with winger's pace. He has a proven scoring rate. Yes, he makes mistakes, as does EVERY winger in RL

Russell is a Full Back, not a winger
(not that I've got anything against him), but Lineham (according to Hessel Roader...a Hull fan, on this site today) has had a stinker, v Cas.

After tonight, Penny should be the least of your scapegoat issues

well said..penny tried his socks off and plays with plenty of passion pride or whatever..look at most of that lot tonight and compare them to pennys efforts,,as the duck said he scored 80% of our points tonight and they needed scoring...our best player tonight by a mile..and he still gets slagged off

He just isn't big enough, its a shame because he is exciting to watch, But in today's super league your wingers are almost part of the forward pack, it is essential they're able to make good metres from dummy half to help set the platform, and he just doesn't have the physicality to do this, the likes of Hall and Briscoe would man handle him. This lack of size also hurts him defensively.

There is a reason the majority of NRL wingers are huge,and the shorter ones tend to be stocky/or very smart (Penny is neither)

I'm not scapegoating him for tonight's game at all. I agree he was one of our better performers. I just don't think he's good enough generally for us and where we should be.

Injuries to the forwards meant we never had a chance tonight and 13 'spirit of penny's' wouldn't have gotten us a win either as the quality wasnt there.