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Tomkins
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Quote: ImTopWolf "Can't see England doing anything whichever 17 they pick.'"

Why? 2011 we had a great win over NZ, and came close to winning at Wembley. Who thought NZ would win the final in 2008? The RLWC is going to be fantastic for the sport in this country, but only if people get behind it and stop the daft negativity. Show some national pride and get behind our brightest and best playing the game I am sure you love at the highest level.

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You have to have a Gareth widdop in your teams! He's a player that runs the NRL in their best team with slater and cronk, how anyone would rather have Kevin Sinfield over Gareth widdop is beyond me

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I'm not sure about McIllorum (spelling??) making the 17. He is a loose cannon and one who can't keep his head. Discipline could be a major factor in how we progress in the competition late on.

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Quote: Warrington Wolf "I'm not sure about McIllorum (spelling??) making the 17. He is a loose cannon and one who can't keep his head. Discipline could be a major factor in how we progress in the competition late on.'"


Totally agree, same goes for Hock.

Roby is obviously the main man and I'd rather see Burrow or even Sinfield used as a rotation than have Mcllorum in there - I'd possible forgive him his err, enthusiasm, if he were a sh*t hot hooker. He's not. He's just sh*t.

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Quote: morrisseyisawire "Totally agree, same goes for Hock.

Roby is obviously the main man and I'd rather see Burrow or even Sinfield used as a rotation than have Mcllorum in there - I'd possible forgive him his err, enthusiasm, if he were a sh*t hot hooker. He's not. He's just sh*t.'"


Would rather see Burrow is a shout for his versatility but there is Lunt and even McShane from Leeds.

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I would certainly have Hock in my 17. He's a horrible piece of work which is exactly what we need against the Aussies.

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Quote: Ganson's Optician "Why? 2011 we had a great win over NZ, and came close to winning at Wembley. Who thought NZ would win the final in 2008? The RLWC is going to be fantastic for the sport in this country, but only if people get behind it and stop the daft negativity. Show some national pride and get behind our brightest and best playing the game I am sure you love at the highest level.'"


It's not negative saying England are going to get beat by the Aussies.

In fact its the England fans that will judge the success or failure of this tournament by what happens to England that are the negative ones.

I'm very positive about the RLWC because I like to see world class teams, I used to love as a kid watching the West Indies test team over here even though they ripped England to shreds. The Kangaroos are full of some of the greatest athletes that have played the game, they are going to be hurting at missing out on the world cup in 2008, and both England and the Kiwis are going to pay the penance this time against the green and gold.

I am really looking forward to the RLWC although I might give some of the earlier games with the made up fake teams a miss, but I'm recruiting a big group from work including RU fans, football fans, people that have never seen RL before, to go to the final at Old Trafford to show them the Kangaroos obliterate their opposition and send them away breathtaken at the quality of rugby they have seen.

I still say my favourite all time game to have been at is the 2000 World Cup final at Old Trafford to see that great Aussie team with Lockyer, Rogers, Sailor, Fittler, Kimmorley, Johns, Webcke, Tallis and those guys in it was an absolute privilege. a014.gif

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Quote: sally cinnamon "I'm recruiting a big group from work including RU fans, football fans, people that have never seen RL before, to go to the final at Old Trafford to show them the Kangaroos obliterate their opposition and send them away breathtaken at the quality of rugby they have seen.

That's fine, but wouldn't you rather see them breathtaken by the skill of Tomkins, Atkins, Hall etc., and dying to come and see RL every week in the flesh as a result? Shouldn't you/we be talking that up?

The perception of fans outside RL is we don't give a stuff about the international game and when we're already dumbing ourselves down and building the opposition up before a ball is kicked, they've probably got a point.

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Quote: morrisseyisawire "That's fine, but wouldn't you rather see them breathtaken by the skill of Tomkins, Atkins, Hall etc., and dying to come and see RL every week in the flesh as a result? Shouldn't you/we be talking that up?

The perception of fans outside RL is we don't give a stuff about the international game and when we're already dumbing ourselves down and building the opposition up before a ball is kicked, they've probably got a point.'"


I would love it if England had the best team in the world, like I love it in cricket and in RU when we did ten years ago. But there's no point kidding yourselves and talking them up if they go on and get hammered.

Think how most fans on here reacted when Sinfield got the Golden Boot. That should have been great for the game but you didn't get the non-Leeds fans celebrating it, they were all quick to say it was not deserved, the Aussies are all better.

I expect on these rlfans forums what we will see is a fair bit of empty defiance before the tournament "we've got a great squad, we're gonna show those cocky Aussies whats what", then the tournament will end in an abrupt halt with a hiding at the hands of one of Aus or NZ.

Then the fun will start:

This is the sort of thing you will read on here:

- Steve McBanana (or whatever hilarious play on his name people can come up with) is to blame for us being rubbish, he is as clueless as that Aussie Smith was in the last world cup picking Paul Sykes etc.

- Adrian Morley, Jamie Peacock, too old, why are we persevering with them, we should have picked Louis McCarthy Scarsbrook etc then we would have won.

- Gareth Ellis, what has he ever done at international level? Nothing, overrated, get rid.

- Kevin Sinfield, why are we playing a loose forward at stand off, not up to it. If we had a proper standoff we'd have won.

- Bruce Didgereedoo who emerged this year in the NRL, but was discovered to have a father from Ramsbottom, why are we picking these Aussies who have no pride in the shirt, if we'd have had English players we would have won.

- Why do we just pick players from Warrington/Leeds/Saints/Wigan? If you just pick the same faces from 'big clubs' that have failed before you are always going to fail again. Why not pick the Salford/Wakey/Widnes players? They couldn't have done any worse?

- There are too many overseas players in the game, send them all back and they will be replaced by superstars in the clubs Academies that just can't get a game and end up leaving and playing football instead.

- The media has got a conspiracy against RL, when England RU won the Grand Slam earlier in the year they did a full commemorative supplement in the Times, why couldn't they have done one to commemorate us getting our backsides handed to us in the RL World Cup?

- The game is dying, the RFL is a joke, Tomkins is going to go to Saracens, there's some dual registration thing that no one understands, nobody saw the pictures on the Stobart lorries


But hey don't have nightmares people maybe I'm just a cynic and maybe none of that will happen...

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Quote: sally cinnamon "I would love it if England had the best team in the world, like I love it in cricket and in RU when we did ten years ago. But there's no point kidding yourselves and talking them up if they go on and get hammered.

Think how most fans on here reacted when Sinfield got the Golden Boot. That should have been great for the game but you didn't get the non-Leeds fans celebrating it, they were all quick to say it was not deserved, the Aussies are all better.

I expect on these rlfans forums what we will see is a fair bit of empty defiance before the tournament "we've got a great squad, we're gonna show those cocky Aussies whats what", then the tournament will end in an abrupt halt with a hiding at the hands of one of Aus or NZ.

Then the fun will start

Goodness me, you're a feisty little devil aren't you?

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Well perhaps England will be spared a thrashing by Australia. I see N Korea have just successfully tested another nuclear bomb.

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I think we will be competitive in the WC. In fact, for the first time in recent memory I am looking forward to an international series and have purchased multiple tickets aleady, 8 months in advance. I can't wait. We have a strong pack, decent (I know, not spectacular) centres and halves, and we have a full back and wingers of NRL standard. If Myler can continue his progress, and Sinfield carries his SL form into the series we will be ok. Widdop will be very near a jumper if playing regular, and is great competition for the other halves.

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it's a bit early doors but i would go with,

tomkins
briscoe widdop atkins hall
myler brough
graham roby burgess
westwood ellis
sinfield

crabtree hill mcguire o'loughlin

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1.Tomkins
2.Charnley or Briscoe
3.Reed
4.Atkins
5.Hall
6.Widdop
7.Myler
8.Graham
9.Sinfield
10.Hill
11.Hock
12.Westwood
13.O'Loughlin

14.Roby
15.Burgess
16.Ellis
17.Crabtree or JJB

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