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Quote: ratticusfinch "Maybe don’t flog Vaughan for 60 mins when he’s clearly having a stinker then? Would you have persisted with him today as a coach?'"


Most had a stinker so I wouldn't have subbed him off anymore than anyone else. If he was the only one then yes possibly, but then he wouldn't have had chance to make amends (which he didn't really do anyway). I agree though that in general he needs to be rested more in games for longevity reasons.

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Thewliss should be given the No1 jersey now. I think we can all accept mistakes due to inexperience.

Saints youngsters really give 100% when selected because if they play well they are playing next week even if a star is returning they get rewarded our know as soon as player X is back they are dropped. I fell there's no real competition for places at Warrington.

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Quote: Rommel "Does Clarke deserve to be dropped now his head is at St Helens????'"


Yes.

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Quote: CW8 "Mata'utia should be out, wrench wasn't good today but he needs to play to develop. I don't personally believe he has shown that he will be good enough so it's sink or swim. Dufty was better today, ashton and thewlis are our best wingers bringing Russell in only weakens us IMO, he's back up and nothing more. In fact if Powell drops thewlis for Russell ever again, I'm straight in the Powell out camp, I don't have the patience for that sort of decision making anymore.'"


Dufty was better, [ireally?[/i Granted he didn't knock on twice in our own 25 this week but I've seen Lord Lucan make more eye catching appearences than Dufty did today.

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What happened after the win at Catalan in the league, up till then we had a top spirit(just like Wigan) now there’s nothing there, just players turning up for work, no spirit no will to put your body on the line for the club, curry 3 years why you have to earn contracts, Powell brought Holmes shocking, minikin worse than shocking and matouttia shocking, McGuire gone duffty wants to go only success is Vaughn( can’t be the best every week ) Dodson not good, kasiano bit player, Steph centre oh my god!!!!

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Quote: Rommel "Does Clarke deserve to be dropped now his head is at St Helens????'"




Clark was streets ahead of golden boy walker today. That error from walker hasn't really been discussed much but there's a lot of blame directed to a player playing out of position. Ratchford is bobbins too by the way..and Ben Currie awol today, not for the first time in a big game.

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Quote: Towns88 "Clark was streets ahead of golden boy walker today.'"


Goodness me, "golden boy" Walker? Yes, he had a bad opening 20 mins or so and that error was terrible but the game swung our way when he and Kasiano returned - shame DP didn't do it earlier.

Walker is the future, Clarke is the past. End of.

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Quote: Wires71 "We have been off the pace for a long time now. Despite all those marquee signings, all that full salary cap, all the marketing hype, all the new ideas, all that expectation, and 3 coaches we have 1 piece of silverwear in 11 long years.'"

Can’t give you an argument.

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Not so sure there Morrissey. That was a TERRIBLE error from Walker and other than last week he’s been poor for a few weeks. IMO Clark is still much more effective. Dwyer and Walker fills me with turgid dummy half dread.

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Quote: The_runaround "Thewliss should be given the No1 jersey now. I think we can all accept mistakes due to inexperience.'"


You might. The Wire masses won't. After St Helens when Dufty was dropped, Thewlis didn't have a great game at FB and lots of people calling for Dufty to come back sharpish.

It's also taken about four years for people to stop talking about Ashton and the Salford semi final.

Our fans will not tolerate any errors.

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Walker effectively cost us the game. His mistake was decisive in putting us a position of chasing the game.

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I have no problem with thewlis getting the fb spot. Great to see a player giving it everything when it's hard graft. There's a few in our team that only get involved when the goings good.

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Quote: ratticusfinch "Not so sure there Morrissey. That was a TERRIBLE error from Walker and other than last week he’s been poor for a few weeks. IMO Clark is still much more effective. Dwyer and Walker fills me with turgid dummy half dread.'"



Dwyer is an horrendous signing. Really don't rate him one bit.

A shame you couldn't get Clark (yes Clark, not Clarke) to extend.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Walker effectively cost us the game. His mistake was decisive in putting us a position of chasing the game.'"


Goodness me. CHASING THE GAME? There was still 70 minutes to go with a one man advantage for goodness sakes.

The crucial moment was the 6 again after the Bullock try. That was rank stupidity.

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Can anyone tell me how wire play, it’s not open free flowing, it’s not defensive I’ve no idea what we try to do and foremost what we’ve done all week in training, Wigan had 12 players but able to make an overlap and score, we had13(I think) and never able to pass and catch(basic rugby) and set wingers free, matty Ashton never gets ball in hand in space unreal, why not get big slow winger who can take ball out like a second rower.

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