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| Quote: Barbed Wire "It’s meant to be isn’t it. But, it’s more than that. I don’t want to bring it down to pounds and pence, but in the current climate, anyone who can put their hand in their pocket and pay up deserves honesty. And that honesty is in the form of a bloke running as hard as he can, through to the leadership being transparent with the situation.
If I were a board member, I would insist on answers and demand that they are relayed to the paying public.'"
I would like to know why players are not giving their total effort, if this is indeed true. The ire of the fans should be directed at those, not Powell.
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| Quote: Wires71 "I would like to know why players are not giving their total effort, if this is indeed true. The ire of the fans should be directed at those, not Powell.'"
Let's look at your point:-
Why are the players not giving their total effort - isn't this the coaches job to enable them to do so?
If this is indeed true - there seems to be a lot of effort, but no direction - isn't this the coaches responsibility
The ire of the fans should be directed at those ( the players) , not Powell - no, the fans have every right and Powell should stop blaming everyone else for failure.
Sure the players have a responsibility to deliver, but the coach has to provide the advice, help, strategy, support, encouragement, discipline, the environment for them to do so. Evidently so far it isn't there.
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| Some performances just leave you feeling numb.....this was one of them!!!
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| Quote: Wolf Hall "Let's look at your point
These players haven't put the effort in for anyone, so why blame Powell for lack of player effort when 2 coaches over 7/8 years have failed to get any effort out of them either.
Can you not see the common denominator here? Underachieving over 7/8 years and there's one thing in common (apart from the board etc).
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| Quote: Gazwire "These players haven't put the effort in for anyone, so why blame Powell for lack of player effort when 2 coaches over 7/8 years have failed to get any effort out of them either.
Can you not see the common denominator here? Underachieving over 7/8 years and there's one thing in common (apart from the board etc).'"
Think we might be getting ahead of ourselves here about our “underachieving”. Getting to grand finals, winning challenge cups and finishing in the top 2/3 is where the club is. Or was.
Just because we spend, doesn’t mean we’re a big club or we are entitled to get the big one. Don’t get me wrong, losing to clubs like Castleford, Salford and Hull KR are always tough to take in knock outs, as we feel like we should beat them. But pitted against Wigan and Saints, we are underdogs. We got a good result in the cup, we didn’t get the result in the 2016 or 2018 grand final. That’s the way it goes.
It’s right that we want more, but to say that the team haven’t turned up for 7 years is simply untrue. Hampered by a static attack, yes, but they turned up. Until this year.
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| Quote: Barbed Wire "Think we might be getting ahead of ourselves here about our “underachieving”. Getting to grand finals, winning challenge cups and finishing in the top 2/3 is where the club is. Or was.
Just because we spend, doesn’t mean we’re a big club or we are entitled to get the big one. Don’t get me wrong, losing to clubs like Castleford, Salford and Hull KR are always tough to take in knock outs, as we feel like we should beat them. But pitted against Wigan and Saints, we are underdogs. We got a good result in the cup, we didn’t get the result in the 2016 or 2018 grand final. That’s the way it goes.
It’s right that we want more, but to say that the team haven’t turned up for 7 years is simply untrue. Hampered by a static attack, yes, but they turned up. Until this year.'"
Sorry, I don't agree with any of that.
If you pay a premium, you expect premium back, or whats the point in paying premium. We're apparently the top SL spenders and have been for years.
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| Quote: Gazwire "Sorry, I don't agree with any of that.
If you pay a premium, you expect premium back, or whats the point in paying premium. We're apparently the top SL spenders and have been for years.'"
Powell gave his blessing (signed on his watch) to a large majority of the 17 who played yesterday. Is another bobbing for bad apples exercise now needed, and where will that leave us? If DP cannot get the team made up of players that he wanted, then the buck stops with him if they don't perform to their individual, and collective level, surely?
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| Quote: Gazwire "These players haven't put the effort in for anyone, so why blame Powell for lack of player effort when 2 coaches over 7/8 years have failed to get any effort out of them either.
Can you not see the common denominator here? Underachieving over 7/8 years and there's one thing in common (apart from the board etc).'"
‘These players.’
Most of them who you refer to have gone. There were only three or four playing yesterday who have been a part of the Smith or Price regimes for a substantial amount of time.
That team yesterday was by in large his team, full of players who he either signed or who will be here next season with his blessing.
Up there with some of the worst performers of the season so far are two players he brought in from Castleford. What’s their excuse?
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| You expect all these changes to be made in half a season and the team to be performing.
Better last week and better second half yesterday, there are shoots are there not? Or are you just going to focus on the negative.
We're you a Fergie out after 6 months too? Would Watson have gone after 6 months.
Who are you getting in then? Come now, not one single person in 30 pages has suggested anyone. With all this moaning, not a single, suggestion.
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| Quote: Gazwire "You expect all these changes to be made in half a season and the team to be performing.
Better last week and better second half yesterday, there are shoots are there not? Or are you just going to focus on the negative.
We're you a Fergie out after 6 months too? Would Watson have gone after 6 months.
Who are you getting in then? Come now, not one single person in 30 pages has suggested anyone. With all this moaning, not a single, suggestion.'"
And you say other people are repeating themselves
Just cause you don't wanna sit on the floor doesn't mean you choose to sit in a throne of sh*t as the alternative. Facts - Powell had a pre season to identify bad apples. It took him over 8 months to act on any of them. They have been replaced with his own hand selected individuals (bar Clark and Currie), and we still went in 23-0 down. Seems like same old Warrington to me. Not managed to do much but destroy our defensive structure and confidence.
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| Quote: WireWireWire "And you say other people are repeating themselves
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