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| Quote: ratticusfinch "Bet your lifeu after the two cc wins the main aim was to win a GF, something he fsiled to do. I actually believr even TS himself sees not winning it as a big failure'"
Spot on, rf
Blowing a 14 point lead, conceding 30 unanswered points in 2013 merely underlines this. We bottled it, that night. We switched off, the moment Monaghan went off injured. By the time Ratchford went off, we were already "rabbits in the headlights".
Professional, hard nosed teams don't do that.
That's why Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Bradford have a stranglehold on the GF.
The new coach needs to be RUTHLESS. Not a glorified social worker
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| That 2013 final was when i first started to doubt TS. You see the likes of wigan, saints and leeds overcome adversity in big games....it even inspires them to perform better and they get organised quickly. Our reshuffling in that final was absolutely shambolic and we seeemed rudderless and to be making it up as we went along. It was very, very poor on the spot management.
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| Quote: Wire Weaver "
What I'm saying is: Is it so bad to want success at the expense of champagne rugby. I look back fondly on 80-0 hammerings of some teams in 2011, but I would look more fondly on one or two grand final victories. Yes, I'm jealous of Wigan's recent success albeit with cheap-lager-style-rugby rather than Don Perignon stuff...
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| Quote: Wires71 "In 2009 at the last home game of the season Tony took the microphone after the game and said that "next season we will be going for both"
To suggest this club's target was not winning a GF in the intervening 8 years since then cannot be correct. Like it or not Smith failed in this target.'"
You said the club's "single target" for 8 years was winning the GF, and used Smith's quote that "we will be going for both" as your 'proof'
I don't dispute that Smith failed to win a GF (!), and I'm pretty sure he will see this as a failure on his part. But I think you need to get over this obsession with the GF. Warrington were a successful team under Smith despite not winning a championship.
Edit: posted before you changed your original post, but I still find your argument incoherent (in one post you say he failed in his single objective, and in another reckon his tenure was successful?!?)
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| Quote: easyWire "I think it should have been made 8 games into the season when it was clear we couldn't turn things around.
That way a new coach would have had the rest of the season to secure at least the Top 8 and a good cup run (a la Smith 2009) and then use the off-season to work from a clean slate and have a good first full year in charge.
Look at where we are now - no signings and struggling to get a coach all because of the uncertainty of whether we'd be playing in the top flight.'"
The Leeds - Salford double weekend should have been the absolute final straw. In the raw emotion of the moment I'd have probably done it sooner still, to be honest. But Wakefield pretty much confirmed the inevitable.
Cockle-warming that we wanted to let him down gently, but the result is that we are likely to have another "transitional year" to go with 2014 and 2015.
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| Brought more success to this club than anyone before him. Took us from slightly above average to completely mixing it and sometimes dominating the big few.
Couldn't quite take us to GF glory but 3 appearances, 4 challenge cup appearances, winning 3, and 2 league leaders shields isn't a bad haul from what we had ever had in the same amount of time. Takes us to within 80 minutes of all 3 pieces of silverware one year and then out the door the next.
Shame it had to end this way. Only had 1 bad season in his tenure but it was free fall. Thanks for everything Tony! Good Luck.
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| I still think a timely announcement or two from the club hierarchy could have saved a lot of fan unrest this year & I would like to think that if there are any evident problems in the dressing room or the back room then they will be dealt with before 2018 & any wrong doers flushed out.
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| Quote: lefty goldblatt "Spot on, rf
Blowing a 14 point lead, conceding 30 unanswered points in 2013 merely underlines this. We bottled it, that night. We switched off, the moment Monaghan went off injured. By the time Ratchford went off, we were already "rabbits in the headlights".
Professional, hard nosed teams don't do that.
That's why Leeds, Wigan, Saints and Bradford have a stranglehold on the GF.
The new coach needs to be RUTHLESS. Not a glorified social worker'"
Smith's biggest mistake that night, though, was selecting Ratchford over Hodgson. His cool, experienced head, not to mention his skills in opening up the opposition defense, were badly missed that night.
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| Quote: WireWireWire "Brought more success to this club than anyone before him. Took us from slightly above average to completely mixing it and sometimes dominating the big few.
Couldn't quite take us to GF glory but 3 appearances, 4 challenge cup appearances, winning 3, and 2 league leaders shields isn't a bad haul from what we had ever had in the same amount of time. Takes us to within 80 minutes of all 3 pieces of silverware one year and then out the door the next.
Shame it had to end this way. Only had 1 bad season in his tenure but it was free fall. Thanks for everything Tony! Good Luck.'"
I don't know about dominating the big few. We had some individual results over the years but they could all say the same.
The trophy haul and finals we have been to have been more than we've ever had, so we've got to be grateful for that but we're still only the 3rd most successful club during Smith's time here. With the squad and money at our disposal, I'd argue that it should have been better.
There's been more than 1 bad season and getting to the Challenge Cup final and Grand Final last year really did mask the issues. I know Sandow tailed off through the season but without him (and Gidley to some extent) we shouldn't have been within a couple of play of winning the lot.
We may never see another team as exciting as the 2011/12 team but we've faded badly since then due to poor recruitment and some strange man management.
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| i'd totally forgot all about mitchell dodds last year.
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| I think many of us did.
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| Quote: WireWireWire "Brought more success to this club than anyone before him. '"
Mmmm personally I'd give that accolade to Cecil Mountford.
League Champions 1953–54 and 1954–55.
Lancashire League 1953-54, 1954-55, 1955-56
Challenge Cup 1953-54,
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| Quote: NtW "You said the club's "single target" for 8 years was winning the GF, and used Smith's quote that "we will be going for both" as your 'proof'
Here we go again. You selectively cut and paste my reply and then insult me with the crazy icon (which as someone who suffers from a mental health condition is not nice).
So, I will withdraw from discussing this point with you but if I ever see you in person I'll make a point of raising it again with you.
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| Quote: Wires71 "Mmmm personally I'd give that accolade to Cecil Mountford.
League Champions 1953–54 and 1954–55.
Lancashire League 1953-54, 1954-55, 1955-56
Challenge Cup 1953-54,
I'm sure if this forum had been around at the time plenty on here would still have been calling for his head after the 1956 play-off debacle, and then the decline to 10th and 13th in the following 2 seasons. Anyway, he inherited that treble winning team, and blah, blah, blah...
In 60 years time, Smith will no doubt get the accolades he deserves too, without someone wanting to take the discussion onto whether he treated Micky Higham badly, or made a mistake signing an Aussie prop who then got injured.
FWIW I'd say Chris Brockbank was our most successful coach, despite not racking up as many trophies Mountford or Smith.
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