In what way is it knee jerk, I have been thinking about Tony Smiths position at the club for at least 2 years... Maybe its because we were so bad for so long, but considering the investment, we don't have the big prize to show for it.

I hope you keep your sense of humour when we again fail in the playoffs.

If he was at Wigan, Leeds or Saints their fans would be questioning why we keeping failing at the final hurdle, but its ok because its just Warrington I guess.

Tony Smith has proven he can win a SL title, and win CC finals. The big blows this season are Lineham being terrible and Dodds breaking his leg.

You mean like Saints have been saying about Cunningham all year or the goons wanting Wane out, so we are in the CC final and for me we will be in the 4 come the end of the 8's but this obviously not good enough for you, so who do you want to replace him with, I stand by my statement.

The CC final albeit great, was reached by beating Oldham, Widnes and Wakefield, so we cannot read too much into that. The GF is the big prize but I don't think this side has the strength across the park to do it.

we dont have the tactical nouse to win the GF IMO.

for me, every year this side looks more disjointed..... singing brilliant players on massive wages will almost certainly win you alot of games and put you right up there.... it wont deliver the big prize though.

im really hoping we win the challenge cup, as i think we will fold in the big games leading up to the GF... like we did tonight.

He has had 8 years at the club, and hasn't won a grand final. And we don't look like winning one this year, as soon as Wigan get some of their 7 injured players back, they will be to much for us, thats if a mediocre Saints team doesn't beat us first. The trophies this season are there for the taking, but we are just not well coached enough, or we haven't recruited well enough to dominate. Our backline look like they have never played on the same pitch before and we are at the business end of the season.

No getting to the CC final after beating no one of note, and finishing in the top 4 isn't good enough after the huge investment in the club.

If we finish this season trophyless it is time for him to go, but obviously he won't be leaving.

Good post. If it's on offer, I'll take a wembley win over a GF appearance.

TS has little sense of balance. Been on this agenda all year. Pack too light and he has little idea of a balanced 3/4 line.

Pretty much "nail on the head" there, deckchair.

The blame for this, lays firrmly with Smith. We have proven try scorers in Penny and Lineham, yet they can't get a game, and he plays non wingers, as wingers. Baffling.
As for Ratchford, he was poor tonight, but he suffers from his utility value.
When will coaches get some balls, and drop players, instead of playing "names" just so they"get a game". As a nation, we saw this only a few weeks ago in the Euros. Wayne Rooney, FFS.

me and you have become alarmingly close in our assessment of this tenure ducky.... which probably speaks volumes.

By the worst Saints side for at least 15-20 years.

If that was Hull or Wigan, they would have stuck 50 on Saints tonight, not been beaten by 2 points. But the difference with Warrington is that when we come against a really poor side, we end up sinking to that level ourselves.

Regardless of whether we had 5 days rest, and they had 2 weeks rest, Saints were far from the "Entertainers" tonight and were there for the taking, and once again, we didn't take it.

I wasn't confident before the game, so the result isn't a surprise to me, however I'm very disappointed in the way the result happened. We should have won that game, but our inability to step it up against a poor team cost us, just like it has done several times this season.

We were certainly off tonight, but I really can't see where the idea that Hull or Wigan would have put 50 points on Saints comes from. Regardless of their record this season I saw their line-up and thought it looked very dangerous.

Some people really take Saints defeats waaaay over the top. To say Wigan would have put 50 on them....how did they get on the other week? Oh that's right, they got beat by saints. I think we have a few issues to address, but we're really not a million miles off.

Genuine question: do these sort of posts make people feel any better in defeat?

Think your all been a bit hard on your team, saints are in great form with a week extra rest, whats the bet we struggle tonight I'm more concerned about the way Wigan get an easy fixtures against a team decimated with injures and who played last week great planning that for Wigan
Are the fixtures committee all ex Wigan players like the disciplinary committee? why not to be fair, give us semi finalist a game against each other so its not unfair to any team, Wigan came out of this smelling of roses as normal, after the bruising battle we had with them last week you would of stuck 40 past them, you'll be back don't be surprised if we slip up as well but Wigan will beat Waky they looked busted

Whats the crack over Lineham not getting picked? Whats he done?