Jordan who? 9 games for us last season, only 1 start. All instantly forgettable. He was blowing like a whale after 5-10 minutes of each appearance. Never took his chance when offered and always lacked intensity.

Has all the physical attributes to be a top player, except brain, heart and spleen.

That said, I hope he goes well for you and expect a change of environment will mean he makes me eat my words.

Looked a very good talent at the younger age groups when he was a lot taller and therefore bigger than his opposition. He ruptured a spleen against Wigan a couple of years ago and after having his spleen removed had to have the rest of that year out.

Last year he struggled with the training and didn't bulk up or improve his fitness, so he was neither fit enough to play second row for long enough periods (his preferred position) and not muscular enough to play in the props (coaches preferred position for him)

I don't know who had seen and thought of him as a dirty player, but he's the opposite and lacks the aggression needed. I would say he was the atypical big, soft, daft lad!

A very strange signing. I am not sure that this one should go into the 'Prop' thread.

Perhaps best to start a 'lucky dip' thread instead.

Direct replacement for England by the look of it.. low earner with a chance to prove himself.

like all new signings, i wont make a judgment until we have seen him do his thing.... sounds like we may have to get him fit before we see what he can do though... As suggested, he could well play 23's until he is up to speed, which may not be until half way through the season.

Im still expecting another prop.

It states in the local Guardian that Cox has made 64 appearances for Rovers first team a lot more than I was led to believe, maybe things have not gone the way he expected following injuries and then being down in the pecking order.

Reading his article he knows what is needed to succeed hopefully he will achieve his aims with the wire.

He fills another body for us in a position we are down on numbers, and as someone else has said, probably takes up the spot England left.

I'm not sure we will see another prop come in now.

We will probably run with Hill & Dodds starting, with Westwood and Sims off the bench.

That would then leave us with Evans, Cox then King, probably in that order Do we need an 8th prop, especially now we have Westerman to play 13?

Looking around our major competitors I'd say Leeds and Huddersfield look good up front, then us & saints with Wigan trailing - But the Pies always seem greater than the sum of their parts. Honorable mention to Hull who's front row looks good, but back row with Manu, Pritchard & Minichello looks especially good.

Wire
Hill
Dodds
Sims
Westwood
B. Evans
Cox
G. King


Leeds
8 Galloway,
10 Singleton,
17 Cuthbertson,
18 Garbutt
19 Mullally
23 Mulhern


Saints
8. Walmsley
10. Amor
13. LMS
14. Tasi
17. Savelio
19. Richards
20. Thompson


Wigan
Dom Crosby
Ben Flower
Tony Clubb
Lee Mossop
Taulima Tautai
Ryan Sutton
Greg Burke

Huddersfield
Sam Rapira
Eorl Crabtree
Craig Huby
Ukuma Ta'ai
Josh Johnson
Daniel Smith
Nathan Mason
Tyler Dickinson


Hull
Scott Taylor
Liam Watts
Gareth Ellis
Iafeta Palea’aesina
Chris Green
Josh Bowden

I just can't see why England has gone and replaced with this signing,, or pack is weaker than last year and weaker than wakey, let's just hope our flair and gyle can pull us through,

Wakey

Scruton
England
Anderson
Tinirau arona
Malloy
Antony tupou
Anakin
Walker

As props I'd take Hill, Sims, Dodds & Westwood over every one of those to be honest.

The point I'm saying is better depth,
Hill exhausted
Simms not a prop
Dodds may not be ready for start of season
Westwood plays prop he won't last over 4 games without an injury,

Then who we got,, ??
Only hill is true quality, we are no better, and not a top 4 pack

Filling out the squad, very very ordinary.

Agar is turning us into Hull FC.

Hill didn't look too exhausted vs the Kiwis to me, and I'm not sure why Westwood will only play 4 games before getting injured.

Not sure if you're related to England in some way but if he has been given the number 10 shirt at Wakey, that suggests to me the rest of them aren't up to much. Three of the guys you mentioned aren't even props.

I think we are being disrespectful to some of our players here. I watched King play a full game at the end of the season vs. Saints and he looked the part. Philbin is also a very useful lad. Sims is a prop, is a prop, is a prop ... despite what a few "herberts" say.
Evans ... seems to be highly rated by many on this forum. Westwood will be fine. Dodds has just been picked in an NRL final. Hill is the best prop in the league. Harrison out for a while but will play prop when back. Murray U19 seems a good prospect. New boy, Cox is a big lad keen to impress.
It's not even as if the prop position was our main problem last year. Our lack of creativity in the final third was our main issue ... Oh come on get a grip you moaning lot!

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